504 Jay Campbell

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Introduction: Challenging the Aging Narrative

Jeffrey Feldberg: What if aging wasn't a slow decline, but a decision?

Jay Campbell has spent the last two decades challenging everything we've been taught about vitality performance and what's possible for the human body. A former men's physique competitor turned global thought leader jay is a four-time international bestselling author whose work on hormonal balance, therapeutic peptides, and metabolic optimization has transformed the lives of millions. But Jay's journey didn't begin with success. It began with frustration. He watched friends and peers deteriorate far too young.

He saw an entire health system built on managing decline rather than restoring capability. And so he became the experiment using his own biology as a laboratory for uncovering what truly keeps us strong, sharp, and sovereign. What emerged is a man who blends science with intuition, physiology with philosophy. Someone who asks not just how we live longer, but why we've accepted limits that we're never ours to [00:01:00] keep.

Jay Campbell isn't promising youth. He's questioning the narrative of aging itself, and once you hear how he got there, you may never look at your own health the same way again.

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Welcome to Deep Wealth Podcast

Jeffrey Feldberg: Deep Wealth [00:04:00] Nation, welcome to another episode of the Deep Wealth Podcast. Well, Deep Wealth Nation, I love my rhetorical questions. You know that. Let me ask you this, Deep Wealth Nation, and be honest with me. Don't just give me the vague Yeah, yeah. Everything's okay. Deep Wealth Nation, this morning, when you woke up, when you got outta bed, were you sharp, were you clear, did you have a spring in your step?

Or do you have the brain fog where you're saying, oh man, I just feel another day older.

How am I gonna get through today?

I don't have that energy like I used to.

And sadly, for most entrepreneurs, for most people it's the latter, not the former, their, Hey, where's my youth gone?

What if all of that was a lie that you've been told? What if there's actually a better future, but it's been hiding from you? Do I have your attention now? I bet I do. Well, I'm gonna put a plug in right there. We have a very special guest in the House of Deep. You're the official introduction. We have a fellow entrepreneur, bestselling author, thought leader, a guy you can't see him, but I gotta tell you, he is rocking.

It looks absolutely fantastic. We're gonna hear all of his stories. So Jay, welcome to Deep Podcast. It really is a pleasure to have you with us. There's always a story [00:05:00] behind the story. I know you got the story, so what's the story? What got you from where you were to where you are today?

Jay Campbell's Personal Journey

Jay Campbell: So first off, Jeffrey, thank you so much for having me. I'm always humbly honored and privileged to be on shows such as yourselves, so thank you. I do appreciate being here. My story, I'll give a very. A hundred thousand foot version ex-college athlete, high school athlete, oldest of nine children playing basketball still very competitively at 29 years of age.

I was kicked in the testicles. I checked out of the game, you know, ah, you know what happens when you get kicked in the balls? And about eight weeks later. I started feeling completely run down and shot. At the time I worked for the Los Angeles Times, I was living in southern California, Pasadena actually, and I went to a PPO provider, and in my world, I don't see anything like coincidences, only synchronicities.

This guy happened to refer me to a Harvard trained endocrinologist by the name of Dr. Raymond Scruggs, and he took my labs and he said, Hey, you have the testosterone levels of an 85-year-old geriatric. I can put you on therapeutic testosterone and have you ride his reign in eight weeks [00:06:00] now. This is back in 1999.

Jeffrey, fast forward to now. Obviously I'll be 55 in two months. So this is going back a long time now, but he said go home, talk to your fiance at the time. Shout out to my first wife who was long gone at the time. She was my fiance at the time. But we decided to go on therapeutic testosterone.

And once I did. The next, as he said, eight weeks later, I started to feel amazing. He wanted to withdraw me and I was like, bro, there's absolutely no way you're taking me off this. This is like transformational. I feel like a different person. So from that point forward, I was about 30 and a half years old now.

I just became this astute. Deeply, you know, evangelical person of like therapeutic hormones. At the same time that I was looking into therapeutic hormones, I worked with various doctors, I used different delivery systems. I was also biohacking, so to speak, if you wanna call it back then, that wasn't even a word, but in the underground communities I was using peptides.

So I tell people this because in today's world, and you know, fast forward to 2026 almost most people know me as like the peptide guy. I [00:07:00] speak all across the world on stages about peptides, but I was first known for. Using therapeutic hormones. And I wrote my first books on that, and I'll get to that in a second.

But I was also using peptides. So when I tell people that I've been using therapeutic peptides for close to 23 years, I mean, they're kind of like in a Marvel state because they're like, dude, I didn't even know what a peptide was till six months ago, a year ago, et cetera. So to. Keep a long to make a very long story shortened.

The Power of Therapeutic Hormones

Jay Campbell: I finally wrote my first book on therapeutic testosterone in 2014. It was published in 2015, and then subsequently, I've written seven other books, my newest book, which is coming out at the end of this year, preferably, or hopefully probably the first week of January. Somewhere in between, it's gonna be a book on GLP peptides, which as you know, and I'm sure most of your listening audience knows, is like all the rave right now.

In fact, Lilly is now the biggest. Pharmaceutical giant in the history of the world because of their sales of GLP peptides. I'm writing a book called Metabolic Awakening and it basically goes into the history, what not to do, what everybody's doing wrong, and then how to use them correctly.

And that's [00:08:00] coming. But, i've just been very blessed since I started writing books to meet amazing people, researchers, doctors, you know, podcasters such as yourself. And take this message about, you know, what I call optimized healthcare. You know, in and around or above and through allopathic medicine, which I refer to as sick care.

And so, you know, here we are today talking about this stuff.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Deep Wealth Nation with what you just heard, I want you to go to the show notes and in the show notes, it's all point and click. And what you'll see are Jay's book, I mean, listen to these titles. How's this one? Optimize Your Health with Therapeutic Peptides. Extend your life by becoming more muscular, leaner, smarter, injury free and younger.

Who doesn't want that? Or 30 days to shreds, reprogram your mind and metabolism to torch fat, sculpt muscle, and create your dream body in 30 days or less. Again, who wouldn't want that? And the list goes on. I can just spend the entire episode reading your titles of what you've done. Jay, let's go back to basics before a moment.

Let's go back so we can go forward offline. 

Optimizing Health: Practical Steps

Jeffrey Feldberg: You and I were talking. [00:09:00] And I know in doing my research about what you're doing, there is a big lie that's been going on out there that we've been believing that, hey, those aches, those pains, that's normal. That's just how it's supposed to be. You can't sleep at night.

Yeah. That's normal as you age. That's just how it's supposed to be. Talk to us about this lie and what's actually going on. What should we really know?

Jay Campbell: Yeah. It's a great point. So I've been using therapeutic. Hormones, IE testosterone and various other things, desiccated thyroid stuff from my pancreas, but basically just adjuvants that are available in the medical system if you have a little bit of know-how to, obviously completely regress my age. I have the biological age.

Depending on the, the company that I've tested with of somewhere between 24 and 27, and like I said, I'll be 55 here in February, so I'm a couple months away from turning 55. my father would say, I'll be in my 56 year around the sun. But my wife and I both literally practiced what we preach. We lived this.

Lifestyle. We use all of these incredible adjuvants [00:10:00] like therapeutic testosterone, like therapeutic peptides, like various supplements like bio regulators and small molecules, you know, many of which my company, which is Bio Longevity Lab sells to the global public. And I think we are living proof, Jeffrey, that you do not have.

To age biologically, yes. You have to age chronologically as we all do, but at the end of the day, if you really take care of what I call the meat modem, which is your physical avatar body, you can really, really slow the process. And by using all these various adjuvants and living, you know, the lifestyle, and obviously getting the foundational precepts dialed in, which I'll name very quickly, you have to do resistance training, you have to do cardiovascular training.

You have to live what I call insulin controlled, which is regulating your carbohydrate consumption. You also have to get six to eight hours of deep sleep. You have to mitigate EMF. You know, there's a lot of things you have to get into. You know, what I call earth, the grounding of earth. If you can get into the earth's energy every single morning, you know, like I told you, I'm right now here in Plato, carbon Mexico, and so I've been in the sand at five 30, [00:11:00] finishing my book every single morning as the sun comes up and grounding in the earth energy.

But if you're doing all those things. And you're also optimizing your hormones, and you're using therapeutic peptides, and you're using therapeutic bio regulators, and you're using all these wonderful tools which by the way are available to anyone. And obviously your audience is mostly sophisticated and I would say mostly affluent.

You know, maybe not everybody's affluent, but they're all hustling, grinding, entrepreneur types. like us, these products are readily available and obviously my company, again, bio Longevity Labs makes them readily available, but if you know how to use them they really are the Fountain of youth.

They really will regress your biology and keep you living, as I say, longer and stronger.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay, terrific. So we have that as some basics there. Now, Jay, as we're talking about this, I can just imagine the Deep Wealth nation, they're hearing us and they're saying, Jay Jeffrey. Yeah, I hear you. I barely have enough time for what I'm doing. I have no idea. Peptides, and you're talking about all these other chemicals.

I mean, it sounds dangerous. Again, let's take it back to [00:12:00] the basics. Is there some pattern going on here? What some people call Pareto's Law or the 80 20 principle? Yeah, Jeffrey. 20% of these challenges or issues, I really call them opportunities over here that's affecting 80% of the population. And let's dial it in a little bit more.

So for the typical entrepreneur, let's talk about what's probably going on with him. And then your journey, what you've learned along the way, and whether it's testosterone, supplementation, even for women, we'll talk about that or whatever else is going on, what they should know. And by the way, deep Nation, everything that Jay and I are talking about today, it's our opinions only.

We're simply two friends having a fireside chat here. Before you do anything, always check with a medical professional. This is not medical advice. 

Understanding Hormone Deficiency

Jeffrey Feldberg: So, Jay, that said, are there some big picture patterns that you can share with us of what's typically happening with most entrepreneurs?

Jay Campbell: For sure. I mean, depending on where they live. Most first world large urban centers what I call coastal population centers. You are facing a very contaminated environment and contaminated world, contaminated [00:13:00] energy field. From the air that we breathe, the water that we drink, the electromagnetic frequencies that we're constantly around.

Even right now on this podcast, when that happens, and again, it's really, you know, you could argue it's just the modernization of society. Our endocrine systems are under siege, and when our endocrine systems are under siege, all of our hormonal systems really start to just say, go haywire.

I mean, as we age. Men and women start lower. Testosterone is a natural, it's a lowering of, cating of our natural hormonal rhythms is obviously a natural biological process, but now due to the environmental contamination, it's a much faster and accelerated rate. So the first step. For an entrepreneur is to make sure that they understand whether they're functioning with a hormone deficiency.

And anyone, you know, male or female can go online now. Just as easy as they go to Amazon and they can get their labs done, you know, and it's relatively cheap. I mean, you know, I work with a company called Private MD Labs, but there's direct labs, there's discounted labs, there's all these different companies.

And if you're a male, you know, you wanna get a male [00:14:00] hormone panel. If you're a female, you wanna get a female hormone panel. And once you get those lab works back, you know, there's. Plenty of people, including myself, that do videos online that you can easily Google search, which will teach you, you know how to read them and how to diagnose if you have any issues.

And most people, Jeffrey today, are dealing with a testosterone deficiency for all the reasons that I just mentioned. I mean, again, the environmental contamination. So I. If that's the situation that you're dealing with. From there once you recognize the problem, obviously situational awareness to your problem, you can then work with a physician who can prescribe you hormones, who can prescribe you, you know, various medical adjuvants, like peptides, like all these different things that I've already talked about that can get you to a place of balance.

And obviously, what I like to say, optimization. 'cause we're all shooting for optimization. People like to say testosterone replacement, but I hate that word. I hate that actual it's, it's very cliche because we don't wanna replace something that is cessing and lessening as we get older. We wanna optimize the levels of it, right?

So all of us can optimize our levels. And again, it doesn't matter your age, whether you're a 30-year-old hard charging entrepreneur, a [00:15:00] 75-year-old, hard charging entrepreneur. Everyone can benefit from optimizing their hormones. But once you are on that path, that's when you can then start looking at all these other things that I obviously like to talk about and the things that I use in my day-to-day life.

But it's always the basic step one is understanding whether or not you're functioning with a hormone deficiency, and if you are working to optimize.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay, so here we are. We're hearing you talk about this. And again, from Deep Wealth Nation perspective, Jay. Yeah, I hear you. I understand what you're saying. I don't know where to start. I don't know what to do. But before you tell me that, Jay, give me the reason why I even wanna do this in the first place. So someone who has never done this before, they're following what some people call it healthcare, you and I will call it sick care.

They're going along, they're doing everything that they're told to do, but it's not the right thing to do. So when we start following your protocols, your journey, your recommendations, what you've done, the hard, heavy lifting for both figuratively hand, literally. What would they start to feel? What would they expect?

Why should they start doing this?

Jay Campbell: Yeah, so it's a great question. So [00:16:00] I actually like to quantify this as when you start optimizing your hormones, again, regardless of your age, you'll literally quantify your life as pre and post optimized hormones. It's that transformative. Imagine having better energy. Better brain power, better vigorous, you know, exercise and energy in the gym, obviously better sexual function, better erections if you're a female, you know, being able to you know, maintain sexual libido into your fifties, sixties and seventies.

I mean, it literally is the difference between night and day. Almost 80%. And this is just my opinion based on what I understand, but 80% of men and women today in our American society in the West. Caught Canada who are over the age of 40 are literally functioning with a hormone deficiency and they don't even know it.

And this is because our medical system does not teach physicians how to optimize hormones, because if they did, they would have much less of a cash cow in the pharmaceutical pathways because obviously, again, as you already mentioned, sick care, illness, medicine, which is allopathic [00:17:00] medicine, they don't want people healthy, they want people sick.

If you remember, you know, I think it wasn't Eddie Murphy. It was Chris Rock. Chris Rock said the money is in the medicine, the money is not in health. They don't want people healthy. So you have to learn all of this kind of stuff outside of that sandbox of allopathic sick care medicine, and you have to learn to optimize on your own.

But I mean, the question or the answer is very simply that once you optimize your hormones, you're functioning at a much higher level. And not enough entrepreneurs unfortunately, know about this, but once you've. Go down this path and you start seeking to optimize your hormones, the energy, the intensity, the intention, all the things that you're probably lacking right now because you're tired, you're stressed.

You might have brain fog in the middle of the day. You just don't feel like you felt in your early twenties. You can gain back by optimizing your hormones.

Entrepreneurial Insights and Hormone Optimization

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so why don't you take us back, Jake, to your journey, and talk to us about really the first time that you started going down this path, and obviously you didn't have your whole system yet, but you started to see some progress. Was there a eureka moment of [00:18:00] yes, this is it? Or was it slowly? Okay. Step by step.

Oh, looking back, wow. Yeah. I didn't realize it. It just snuck up on me. I feel terrific. And speaking of feeling terrific, you're less than half your biological age, which is absolutely incredible. So talk to us about that. Was there a eureka moment or how did it happen?

Jay Campbell: It's a good question. I don't think there was a eureka moment. I mean, I definitely know that when I went back to the physician after he put me on testosterone and he wanted to take me off, I knew that I wasn't going to come off because I felt absolutely amazing. I mean, my low back pain disappeared. My energy improved my.

Again, one of the things that hormones do is they optimize dopamine signaling in the brain. So you have more energy, you have more cognitive firepower. Your clearer thinking, your short-term memory improves. So those were the first like real needle movers when I did this. And then at that point I was like, wow, you.

If I feel this good now, what else can I do, to enhance the way I feel from this. And that's why I started looking at peptides and all these different things. You know, call 'em again, you know, early stage biohacking. I like to [00:19:00] say, Jeffrey, you kind of alluded to this at the beginning of the show at.

In the late nineties and the early two thousands, the internet was still in, relatively in its infancy, but the signal to noise ratio was mostly signal and very little noise. You only had very smart people, hobnobbing, so to speak, online in communities sharing information.

And again, the information was so high level. Whereas if you fast forward today, you've got a lot of, lot of noise and a very minimal signal, and it's very, very hard for people with so much crowded so many voices and so much bad information, including ai, which is hallucinating online. It's really hard to find it.

So it was a lot different then. And so obviously me being then and there, going through all these things, doing the research, experimenting on myself I learned really fast. And then I also shared. Information, Intel resources with various people similar to me. So it was a lot easier, fortunately for me, at least that's what I think back then than it is for people now because the signal to noise ratio is again, is mostly noise.

But over time. As I started tinkering [00:20:00] and, you know, biohacking on myself and playing around with various delivery systems with like therapeutic hormones and then of course using and experimenting with peptides and bio regulators, I created this amazing physique. And so the people that were closest to me, I was still, you know, just a, not an entrepreneur.

I was what I call a high level wage slave in the digital automotive marketing world. Those guys who saw me and watched my physique transformer who were close to me, they would always tell me, you gotta write a book on this. You really need to crowdsource this information, you must put this information to the world because you know all this stuff and you look the part and it's like there's there's so many people out there that can benefit from your knowledge.

So initially, because again, this is, you know, I'm not a trained medical professional, I didn't have medical credentials. I was kind of initially skeptical about writing a book on this. 'cause I didn't wanna bring any kind of weird stuff down upon me. But after speaking with. Attorneys and also some people that were also involved in publishing.

They told me I had to put this book out into the world. And so I would say from like 2009 to 2013 is really when I had my eureka moment of like, okay, I know this backwards and forwards, and [00:21:00] now it's about taking it and making it in a palatable, understandable fashion. You know, working with other physicians and other thought leaders on putting this information out into the world and you know, very truthfully.

Both of my books that I wrote on testosterone, the first one came out in 2015 was the definitive TRT manual, and then my second, which is technically my magnum opus, until I would say this new book coming out in January of this year, which is called the Testosterone Optimization Therapy Bible. They're still the number one and two selling books of all time on testosterone.

In fact, a lot of people say that Jeff Bezos. Used my first book to go from like, you know, the, the little dorky guy on who owned Amazon to the guy walking around with his shirt off, on his yachts and stuff like that, because that book was like the number one book on men's health on Amazon in 2016 for like six months.

And so a lot of people in my circle were like, oh yeah, Jeff, read your. You know, and he went down that path and found a doctor and he optimized his hormones and the rest is history. But I think that would be my eureka moment is just like really learning from other amazing [00:22:00] people who really understood this and teaching me.

And then for me it was like, okay, how do I take this and crowdsource this to the world so I can leave a legacy where people can read this information?

Jeffrey Feldberg: And what I love about your story, Jay, it is so typical entrepreneurial. You had a very personal problem. You looked into it, you found the solution. Now I'm making this sound easy. I'm making this sound quick. I know it wasn't. It was not a straight line. It was zigs and zags. Five steps forward, 10 steps back.

But you now have a system. I don't wanna oversimplify it and I don't wanna confuse simple with simplicity. 

The Role of Peptides and Hormones

Jeffrey Feldberg: When I was doing the research and looking into what you're doing, generally speaking, it looks like it's peptides, fat loss, and testosterone for both men and women. And I know deep both nation, all the women in deep, both nation.

When I say testosterone, I don't want you to say, oh yeah, no, that's not for me. That's just for men. Hey, I've got a quick news update. A newsflash is for women as well, so peptides, fat loss, testosterone. That seems to be the cornerstone of your system. Why don't you walk us through each of those areas. What would you want us to know?

And [00:23:00] start wherever you wanna start with the peptides, fat loss, or testosterone.

Jay Campbell: I'm glad you brought that up, Jeffrey, because I love talking about this. So I have a private membership group that has close to 800 people in it now. And it's monetized, you know, it's a monthly cost or either quarterly cost or a yearly cost, but I have over 500 women in the group and I have 285 men. I attract more women. In my infrastructure and communities and circles now than I do men, because I've spoken, you know, very obviously I've been very outspoken and and and spent a lot of time in teaching and educating that women definitely need testosterone just as much.

In fact, my first mentor in this hormone space, which was again that Harvard trained endocrinologist, his quote was, giving a woman hormones is like giving a dry plant water. And so I've known that and it's very true. By the way, if you give a 40-year-old woman. Plus 40 and old 40, 50 sixties and even older a very micro dose of therapeutic testosterone you will see a transformation unlike anything else. And lemme just say [00:24:00] this, and this is very interesting. By the way, there's lots of studies on therapeutic testosterone in both men and women. It's more men than women in the studies. But when you give a person optimized therapeutic micro doses of testosterone and then you optimize their hormones, they become very tactical and strategic in their behaviors in life.

And this is actually the opposite of what most people think. So what you see with women, you're gonna laugh at this, but it's true. And for the ladies listening to this, you actually become more logical. And less emotional in your behaviors, which who doesn't want that? Especially for women who are obviously very reactionary and very emotional until they obviously learn to control that.

And that's kind of the path of all humans as we evolve is, you know, learning to not react emotionally and be. Much more strategic and much more tactical in how we use logic and reason to do things. I mean, emotion plays a a part. We don't wanna suppress how we feel, but at the same time, we wanna react in a way that is obviously positively and productively in society.

And [00:25:00] so I see so many women who, when they optimize their hormones, they become so much more productive citizens. They become so much less reactionary, so much less emotional. But to just keep going in deeper and talk about peptides, hormones are the foundation. People who start with peptides, and many of them do, unfortunately, especially glp, right?

Like the average person today, that's their exposure to peptides. They go to their doc, they've got 20 pounds to lose, 40 pounds to lose. Some people are heavier, they have insulin dysregulation, you know, they're insulin resistant, et cetera. And the doc puts 'em on a GP. That's a major misstep, Jeffrey, because if their hormones aren't optimized, which as I told you, 80% of people don't have optimized hormones and they start on A GLP, they're going to have muscle loss, they're gonna have side effects, thyroid damage, metabolic damage, et cetera.

And then you see all the people in the mainstream news that complain about GLP being the devil and that, you know, they have wegovy faced wegovy, neck, wegovy butt, all these different things. They have muscle collapse. If you optimize your hormones and then get on A [00:26:00] GLP, none of that happens. So it's the first step is always let's look into optimize our hormones.

Then let's think about getting on A GLP peptide. And again, just really quick, a GLP peptide. You've got stage one, stage two, and stage three coming, and all of these things are amazing, amazing products. 

The Power of GLP Peptides

Jay Campbell: In fact, I like to say that GLP peptides are the greatest. Interventions in the history of pharmaceutical science.

It's just not enough people yet understand how to use them productively. 

Introducing 'Metabolic Awakening'

Jay Campbell: And that's obviously one of the reasons I'm putting my book out into the world in about a less than a month and a half now, maybe seven weeks. And again, it's called Metabolic Awakening with LPs. And I know that it's going to help millions and millions of people because it really is the first book teaching people how to use these things therapeutically and then with within the context of health and longevity.

Optimizing Hormones and Peptides

Jay Campbell: it's hormones first. It's then getting on peptides. We could go much deeper and I could talk to you about all the various peptides, peptides that improve cognition, peptides that improve mitochondrial power. Peptides that improve healing peptides that improve immunity, peptides that, that enhance longevity and [00:27:00] anti-aging.

There's lots of classifications of peptides, but I think, from a very over. B and a simplistic version, get your hormones optimized. If you have fat to lose, then get on A GLP peptide and the likelihood that if you do it correctly now using a surgically precise dose of A GLP with hormonal optimization, the likelihood that you have side effects or fail is so small that it's almost theoretically impossible. But again, very few people go down that path. They do it the opposite.

The Importance of Professional Guidance

Jeffrey Feldberg: And Deep Wealth Nation I know what you're thinking as Jay's talking about this. Jay sounds way too complicated, but Deep Wealth Nation, let me ask you this.

Do you understand your taxes?

Are you doing it yourself or do you go to your accountants or when it comes to your tax planning, are you doing that yourself or your wealth planning?

Of course not. You're going to different advisors. So one food for thought Deep Wealth Nation is number one. Hey, if you wanna tinker around and do this on your own, okay, get the professional medical advice as we said, and try it. But like so many other entrepreneurs, you don't have to figure out the how. Jay has already done that.

He's done the masterclass, he's the [00:28:00] expert and he can walk you through this. And Jay, I don't wanna assume, it sounds as though if I can get the peptides right, if I get the testosterone and the hormones the fat loss is gonna be taken care of itself, as will a lot of the other kinds of things that are coming into this and that the dose makes the poison, as they say, and that timing is everything.

So big picture wise, I'm gonna ask. An unfair question. I'm gonna ask it anyways because you're gonna say, well, Jeffrey, every person is different and where they are in their journey. Generally speaking though, I'm coming to you and I'm like the typical American. I'm on that SAD diet. The,

Jay Campbell: A standard American

Jeffrey Feldberg: American diet, the SAD diet.

I mean, whoever picked that acronym, what were they thinking?

Jay Campbell: Awesome.

Jeffrey Feldberg: There is some full transparency, whether they realize it or not. I'm on the sad diet. I'm seeing my doctor once a year. They give me seven minutes for my annual physical. They're telling me everything is great, even though all the levels have changed because I'm going to be politically incorrect.

People are fat and they're more out of shape. So everything has changed. For the worst, not the better, but according to my doctor, everything sounds good. It's really not. So I'm [00:29:00] gonna come to you. Roughly how long does this take? What can I expect? Generally speaking, very high level.

Jay Campbell: Great question. Best question you could possibly ask. And by the way, you're asking awesome questions. I really, really appreciate your studious nature of this. 'cause I don't get these kind of questions all the time. I do a lot of podcasts, so you're really awesome in your preparation. So I'm grateful at that.

So thank you. It is an awesome question. You really can't rely. On your quote-unquote insurance subrogated doctor, your family doctor, your PPO doctor, your HMO doctor, however you wanna classify it, to do this kind of stuff because you just said it. They're not trained in this. They do not teach physicians in medical school how to optimize hormones, how to use therapeutic peptides, et cetera.

I always tell people this, like the best thing you could do is if you went to your family doctor in the middle of the year, you called 'em up and said, Hey, I need to see you. Like you said, you might get seven minutes, but you would say, Hey, doc. I'm here because I want you to optimize me. I want you to make me younger biologically.

I want you to help me lose fat. They [00:30:00] would literally look at you like you were insane. What's the matter with you? Are you sick? How can I help you? They don't understand optimization. They don't understand wellness or health.

It's sick care. Just, as you understand that you cannot use them to do these things that I'm talking about. So you have to go outside of your insurance subrogation and you have to find a specialist. And again, all of the best people, and they're thankfully in America, plenty of them do not accept insurance.

They, it's cash pay. It's not super expensive. I mean, the majority of people in your listening audience can afford this. 

The Cost of Health Optimization

Jay Campbell: You know, people ask me, well Jay, what does it cost? And it's anywhere from 250 to a thousand dollars a month to completely revolutionize your health, to optimize your hormones, to get on therapeutic peptides, to use various bio regulators and small molecules to lose fat, to be healthier, to feel better, to have stronger cognition.

I always tell people this. You have to get your priorities from a standpoint of if you cannot afford somewhere between five, and again, I'll just say $20,000 a year [00:31:00] on your personal healthcare, you have your priorities inverted because Jeffrey, I could pull out all sorts of actuary tables and I could show you the cost of having one.

Heart attack, the cost of having type two diabetes. I mean, people literally go into medical bankruptcy from having a major thrombotic event, which would be, again, a heart attack or a myocardial infarction, like a stroke or an embolism because it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills to intervene, and none of them ever optimize you.

They just save you. 

Proactive Health vs. Reactive Health

Jay Campbell: So if you look at this from an actual proactive versus a reactive situation, this is. Absolutely mandatory because you do not wanna be a 50-year-old plus guy or woman going to the doctor. Having that event that will, is either life or death. I mean, and again, life or death, they're saving your life and all of a sudden gonna hit you with a 500,000 to $750,000 medical bill, which a lot of people, unfortunately cannot pay for or don't wanna pay for.

So it's the difference between being [00:32:00] proactive. And being reactive, and obviously listening to people like me, listening to Dr. Andrew Huberman, listening to various other entities out there who can guide you on the path of finding the right functional, what I call functional health and wellness physicians or providers will save you lots of money and obviously plenty of time to get you on the path to not having that physician or not having that obviously massive life intervening event at some point in your life. 'cause like I said, I mean statistically I don't remember what it was, but I've seen that I think majority of people who suffer that one giant traumatic event, whether it's again, a heart attack, an embolism, or stroke, they face medical bankruptcy in like 65 to 67% of the time.

So this is what people have to start looking at is instead of being reactive to when it happens, be proactive so that it never happens.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Absolutely. 

The Value of Health Over Wealth

Jeffrey Feldberg: And Jay, this may be a new story for you for Deep Wealth Nation. It isn't. I've shared this a few times. I was speaking with a billionaire with a b. Incredibly successful in every aspect of business that [00:33:00] you can imagine. And then some. And this billionaire was on the deathbed and we were talking, and the billionaire said to me, Jeffrey, I would happily trade in every dollar I had to get my health back.

Because I know where this end game is going. It's not a good one. I'm not gonna be with my family, my children, my loved ones. Ask me about a meeting I had a month ago, or 10 years ago, I don't even remember it. I do remember what I did to my health, and if I could change things, I would. And so Deep Nation, as we're talking about this and you're hearing Jay put some time and some numbers and some dollars around this.

You know what? You're already spending it anyways. It's pay me now or pay me later. And it's actually not a cost, it's an investment. If I invest in my health today, well, God willing, I'll be around for my family members and if I have children, hopefully their grandchildren, their great grandchildren and beyond, and not just their, I wanna be able to pick them up, go on trips with them, walk around with them, all those wonderful things that life is supposed to be.

So, Jay, am I on base, off base with that? I would love some of your thoughts on that.

Jay Campbell: No, [00:34:00] you're 100% accurate and I wanna share even more. And you know, God bless my dad who said this to me when I was nine years old. And of course I was too young and naive and not consciously aware enough to understand how profound this message was. But my dad said to me when I was nine years old that a man only has two things in their life.

They have their health. And they have their integrity and without one, they have neither. Now, think about what you just said and how he said that, and that is absolutely the truth. I've had billionaires also come to me and you know, people forced nine figures and that much more, and they're in absolutely horrible health, right?

They hustled, they built their empire, they built their business, they exited, and now they're one foot in the grave. And they come to me and they say, dude. You know, they pay me a lot of money and they say, I need you to gimme a 90 day plan. And I literally look in their face and say, are you on drugs? How long did it take you to become this metabolic emergency that you are right now?

There's no 90 day plan that is gonna unwind the damage that you have done to yourself over the last [00:35:00] three, perhaps four decades. You know, we can take steps, but you have to be realistic in your expectations. So I think what you said is a hundred percent right. I know for a fact that health is our Wealth.

There is nothing more important than health. I mean, it doesn't matter how much money, how much, how many material things, how great your company is, how you fast you scaled, how many amazing people you've hired. If you can't get outta bed in the morning without a horrific, agonizing pain, it's all for Naugh.

And so it's like, you know, my wife also has a really good quote that I use and steal. She says, most people don't care about their health until it's gone. And it's like you can't live your life from that perspective because you're right. I mean, you don't have a life. I mean, like you said, I mean that billionaire told you straight up, he goes, I wish that I, I would give every, he probably in his mind, he probably was like, I would give every cent.

A way to be able to walk upright without pain. Because most people who are metabolic, you know, I call 'em dumpster fires, that's my trade name. But metabolic emergencies in the middle of their life, they would give it [00:36:00] all back, Jeffrey. 'cause you know, let's just say this for a second. 'cause a lot of people don't really understand this.

I mean, obviously the people that are living this do, but when you're an obese person, you are actually having a metabolic. Fire in your body 24 7. You have cytokine storms firing through cellular cascades in your body and you feel like absolute dog you know what. When you're like that, it's horrible your default state is suffering. So no one wants to feel like that. And I always say this, because I'm very compassionate about this. 'cause my mom was morbidly obese and she died of COVID, but she really died because she was not in good condition in her life. But I have massive empathy and compassion for people like that because I don't think most people understand how much they're suffering.

And so it's like I always stop and do as much as I possibly can to help people that are in that metabolic condition because I really want to see them do better. And obviously a lot of society gives up on them. You know, they see people like that in society and you're just like, [00:37:00] you know, this is a fat person.

Get outta my way. But we shouldn't be like that. We have to be much more compassionate, much more empathetic with folks like that because they have gotten into that way. you know, they feel like it's hopeless, believe me, I understand. And so I really do go outta my way in my educational resources and in my, just day-to-day life to try to help those people whenever I possibly can, because it's a very, very difficult existence for them.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Absolutely. And the truth is, Jay, for us to do a deep dive on what you're doing, that is not an episode, that is a series that would be many series. There is so much of what's there. Let me try and do my best for Deep Wealth Nation in the limited time that we have, and we're gonna look at it from a glass half empty glass half.

Full and so big picture wise. Again, generally speaking, maybe it's the 80 20 rule, maybe it's 95 5. Yes. 5% of these issues, what I otherwise call opportunities are affecting 95% of the population. Generally speaking, where are most people, and in this case entrepreneurs like you, me and People Nation, what are we doing wrong?

What are we missing that we don't [00:38:00] even know? Because we've just been given the wrong advice? If there's one thing that we could stop doing or start doing right now that would have us stop going down this dumpster fire as you're talking about it and start getting more towards health and feeling better, reducing the inflammation, the pain.

What's one thing that you'd want me to know to, Hey, stop or start this?

Jay Campbell: You already said it. The standard American diet. You know, the standard American diet is now global. I mean, I'm in Mexico right now and it's the same thing. I mean, we have outsourced, overeating and supersizing and all that stuff. I mean, people for the most part over consume food. You know, one of my good friends at Run the Mind Pump podcast because of the engineering of food, the hyper palatability of food, all these companies in these high agro corporations, they spend literally billions of dollars every year on engineering the food so that the sensitivity to our taste buds makes people over consume it.

That's how they make money. That's how you know, fill their profit and loss sheets by just making people overconsume. It's called hyper palatability of [00:39:00] food. So if we can just become conscious of that. We can start living insulin controlled. And again, living insulin controlled means regulating the amount of carbohydrates that you eat.

Some of my mentors used to teach me that the most important thing to understand about nutrition is to become and remain metabolically flexible. What does that actually mean? It means that you should be consuming food. Protein, fats and, and carbohydrates relative to the energy demand of your lifestyle.

And let me explain that for somebody who lifts weights, you cannot not eat carbohydrates because your body requires carbohydrates to replenish glycogen, which you are depleting when you lift weights. For people that train for ultra endurance iron man type of events. Those people probably can get by with eating a ketogenic or a low carb diet because they can actually run on fats, right?

Which are ketones. So if you understand all that and you take all that combined and you understand your lifestyle, your type of training, again, I call it energetic demand, you can then design your nutrition around that. [00:40:00] Lifestyle. So you don't have to be so rigid that you're like a keto or a carnivore or low carb, where you can actually say, okay, depending on what I'm doing this weekend or today and my energy demand, I can eat whatever is relevant to how I am going to be fueled.

So for me, for example, I have a diet where I fast. I also control the what my carbohydrate consumption so that I'm eating my carbs around my workouts before my workouts, right after my workouts. And I never over consume carbs because again, carbs are not the devil as a lot of people have been led to believe.

And they're also, you shouldn't be phobic of carbs. We need carbs, but we always wanna be kind of surgically precise in when we consume carbs. And so, again. If you're someone who's very sedentary and you're not lifting weights, which you should be, but obviously very, like you said, most people are fat. Most people are not exercising.

They're not going to the gym. They're not lifting weights. Then you should be. By nature not consuming a lot of carbohydrates because that carbohydrate consumption is gonna increase insulin production, which is gonna ram fat into your [00:41:00] cells and make you again, insulin resistant and on the border or on the path to becoming a type two diabetic.

So I think the simple answer is before we go down the hormone path, before we start using peptides and all these amazing supplements, we have to understand our nutrition. We have to understand that we should be fueling our body relative to what we do every day. Again, energetic demand and understanding that that's gonna control how we look and feel.

And from there, then we can obviously go a little bit more esoteric and deeper and do the things that I recommend, which is, again, hormones and peptides and supplementation. But nutrition is obviously always the biggest key.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Absolutely. So nutrition and the timing of nutrition. You're talking about fasting. Again, those are rabbit holes that we can go down perhaps another time. Those are entire episodes. Series. 

Understanding Peptides

Jeffrey Feldberg: Let me ask you this though, before we start going into rapid mode, and it's a question perhaps I should have put at the very beginning, the very front, we talk about peptides and we hear a lot about that now with the GLP one and other kinds of things from a very high level, for the typical person or the typical entrepreneur who isn't into the medical or the bio hacking or [00:42:00] tech or you know, anything else, what is a peptide?

What does it mean? What does it do? What would you want us to know about a peptide?

Jay Campbell: Yeah, so peptides are basically short chains of amino acids. They're. Organic signaling molecules, they're actually made in the human body. For example, a peptide outside of GLP that many people are probably familiar with on the show is BPC 1 57, which stands for Body Protective Compound. It's actually a peptide found in human gastric juice.

It speeds the rate of healing when it's injected or intranasally absorbed, or even transdermally absorbed, or even orally swallowed because it increases what is known as angiogenesis, which is the increase in red blood cell tissue. So when you take BPC 1 57, if you have a sprained ankle, a sprained to elbow, a sprained knee, mild sprain or, tenderness issue you could actually inject BPC 157 with a 31 or 32 gauge insulin needle, which again is a microdermic type of needle that diabetics take to inject insulin, which you won't feel. It doesn't hurt, and it massively accelerates the rate of healing.

In fact, it's seven to 10 times normal rates. So then take that [00:43:00] peptide. Understand that there are peptides for everything, for cognition, obviously we just talked about healing for muscle gain, for fat, loss for longevity for fertility, for sexual function. There's literally every biological system and organ system in the body.

There's a representative peptide and Biore that works on not only improving the maintenance function as we get older, but also optimizing it depending on the dosage and what we combine it with. So. They're really amazing molecules. They really are what I call golden age agents. And as more and more people become familiar with them, and obviously I'm one of the people in the world leading the charge and teaching people how to use them it's going to damage the sick care medical system because I, the one thing I would want you, Jeffrey to know, and obviously your audience to know, is that peptides and bio regulators, and for the most part, small molecules, which are the newer things coming into the marketplace, they actually fundamentally address and treat the root cause of illness.

Disease and dysregulation. So it's like if you can use an agent that [00:44:00] overcomes the actual symptomology versus allopathic medicines, you know, call 'em, you know, petroleum distillate meds that actually break down in the body and cause symptoms and side effects, you wouldn't need all these various interventions that allopathic medicine gives you, again, which are various pills and then pills to alleviate the side effects of the pills you're taking.

You don't have side effects with peptides. They really do. Treat the fundamental root cause. So again, for example, if you have a sprain, you can actually heal the sprain. You know, you're not taking a bandaid medication, like a painkiller or something like that, which is, you know, the typical allopathic medication.

So I think the biggest picture to understand about peptides is their, their signaling molecules or shortchange, or long chains of amino acids. And when you use them, depending on the delivery system they can address and, and completely heal the fundamental root cause.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And Deep Wealth Nation my takeaway from this, and Jay, you can say Jeffrey OnBase off base with a peptide. You can think of it as it's from nature. The universe, God, whatever you'd like to say. And they are smart. These peptides, they go [00:45:00] where the body needs it, not where it doesn't need it, and they know what to do to repair and do whatever they have to do these peptides to make us feel better or take us from here to over there and there being vitality and sovereign health and all those other good things.

So Jay, again, we can go down that rabbit hole a whole other time as we head into rapid mode. One other quick question. For what we've been talking about today, is there a question I haven't yet asked or a topic, a theme, a message that we haven't covered yet that you wanna share with you both Nation, before we go into wrap up mode?

Jay Campbell: Man, I think you've done an amazing job. I mean, you've asked really, really intelligent questions. 

Jay's Personal Reflections and Resources

Jay Campbell: I mean, wrap up mode will just be adding in that, you know, I own an amazing company called Bio Longevity Labs. We launched last year in August, and we've exploded. We really like to consider ourselves the Amazon for biohackers because we sell, every potential bleeding age peptides, small regulator or bio regulator and small molecule. And all of them are proven in studies and also empirical research and data of people using them to dramatically improve people's health as they age. So I would just wanna [00:46:00] say please go to bio longevity labs.com and you can use the coupon code JAYC, or I can give you a coupon code and people can save 15% off their their purchase.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Absolutely love that. Actually, we're gonna circle back to that. So Jay, as we quickly wrap the. Is up here. It's a tradition here on the Deep Wealth Podcast is my honor, my privilege. Every guest I ask the same question. It's a fun question. Let me set this up for you. When you think of the movie Back to the Future, you have that magical DeLorean car that's gonna take you back to any point in time.

So Jay, here's a fun part. Tomorrow morning you look outside your window. Not only is the DeLorean car curbside, the door is open, is waiting for you to hop on in what you do. You're now gonna go back to. Any point in your life, Jay, as a young child, a teenager, whatever point in time it would be, what would you tell yourself in terms of life lessons or life wisdom or, Hey Jay, do this, but don't do that.

What would it sound like?

Jay Campbell: First off, I would say one point 21 gigawatts. Why? The only thing that could generate that would be a bolt of lightning. It's like literally like one of my favorite movies. And one of my favorite actors. you know, honestly, my life, I've been so blessed. I [00:47:00] really don't even know the answer to that.

I would probably want to go back to my twenties to attempt to do a better job of intervening in my mom. You know, who started eating and losing control and spiraling. 'Cause I didn't, in my opinion, do enough. But that would be the one thing that I would probably do if I wanted to go back in time.

But honestly, I, I don't see myself as going back in time. I've have an amazing life, a blessed life. I'm serving so many people every single day. I feel so grateful that I get a chance to talk to people like you about this kind of stuff. 'cause I really, honestly, you said it earlier and I'll say it again.

It is a blue ocean healing. I call this quantum healing. We are moving from allopathic sick care medicine to teaching people how, as you said, to become sovereign and empowered and free with our personal healthcare. And I am leading the charge. So I'm just a blessed man that I get a chance to talk about this kind of stuff every single day.

Jeffrey Feldberg: I absolutely love that. 

Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Jeffrey Feldberg: And before it's an official rep. Jay, very quickly, someone in Deep Nation, they wanna speak with you, they wanna do some coaching, they want you to maybe speak to their organization or they wanna have a conversation. Where would be the best place online to find you?

Jay Campbell: For [00:48:00] sure. So my website is JAY campbell.com. It is a massive website with a treasure trove of free information on all the things that we talked about today. I have over a hundred articles that are on page one. Some of them are rank one on peptides, on bio regulators, on small molecules on the things that you talked about, hormones, fat loss, fasting, autophagy, hormesis, all of that stuff.

I also have a domain that I have dedicated for all the listeners and viewers of these podcasts, which is jaycampbell.com/free-info/ on that site. Every single one of my books that I've written, which. Not the one that hasn't been published yet, metabolic Awakening, but all the other books are available for free as a downloadable PDF.

So please go there and get information. It also has access to my greatest and latest podcasts. And then I would also just say, you can find me on social media at JakeCampbell.333. And then if you want to purchase any of these amazing products, go to bio longevity labs.com, and of course, use the coupon JAYC for 15% off jaycampbell.com/free-info/

Jeffrey Feldberg: And Deep Wealth Nation doesn't get [00:49:00] any better. It's a point and click. Just go there. It's all there for you. Well, Jay, it's official. This is a wrap and as we love to say here at Deep Wealth, may you continue to thrive and prosper while you remain healthy and safe. Thank you so much.

Jay Campbell: Thank you, Jeffrey. 

Jeffrey Feldberg: So there you have it, Deep Wealth Nation. What did you think? 

So with all that said and as we wrap it up, I have another question for you.

Actually, it's more of a personal favor. 

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