Rocket Scientist Mark Fox’s Healing Playbook For Entrepreneurs Who Want It All (#434)

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Jeffrey Feldberg: [00:00:00] Mark Fox is a versatile entrepreneur, scientists, and former Space Shuttle Chief Engineer with an experience as a hot air balloonist and airplane builder. Creator of The Vibe, the only pocket pulse electromagnetic field device designed for easy use while performing daily activities.

VIBE emits extremely low, safe frequencies, a hundred thousand times lower than those from a cell phone. This portable PEMF device can be worn on a lanyard or kept in a pocket. It provides resonant frequency therapy for over 100 common ailments in humans and pets, such as pain, PTSD, anxiety, sleep issues, and ADD, ADHD, offering drug free home based therapy. 

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Welcome to Deep Wealth Podcast. Well, you know me, I love my rhetorical questions. And Deep Wealth Nation, I've got a question for you. Are you in physical pain? Have you lost that spring in your step? What [00:03:00] about your focus, your energy? Is it what it used to be or is it going downhill? And we say that at Deep Wealth because we know if you don't have it right on the personal side, It's going to spill over in a very negative way on the business side.

So you heard the official introduction. We have a very special guest today. We're going to be talking about how to get you in top shape, top form, so that your business thrives, you're thriving. You're going back to where you used to be of energy, focus, having some fun along the way. So that said, Mark, welcome to the podcast.

It's an absolute privilege and pleasure to have you with us. And Mark, there's always a story behind the story. So what's your story? What got you from where you were to where you are today?

Mark Fox: Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Jeffrey, for having me. you know, That's about 27 years ago is my dog couldn't come up the stairs one morning. She was just crying and me and my wife flipped a coin to see who wasn't going to work that day. So we took her to the vet. They did a x ray on her. She had unfortunately severe arthritis in her spine and have another veterinarian who was a friend of mine uh, lived out of state time.

He said, [00:04:00] Hey, well, magic machine can reverse arthritis. I'm like, really? It involves frequencies and energy. You know, I'm a rocket scientist. So I'm like, I don't believe this P. S. But it's my dog. So I'm gonna go look into this. And unfortunately, she's a few states away with machine was that my dog got sick really fast, so I didn't get to treat her with it.

But I learned about the technology and I'm like, so this is really interesting again. I went in super skeptical of again. I'm a rocket scientist. How can energy and frequency do this stuff? But the more and more You look into it and, with an open mind, find out there's 30, 000 published papers on this and there's reasons the mainline medical world doesn't want stuff like that to exist because they'll never be a recurring revenue or, it's not something that drug companies would ever pick up, right?

Is I need to sell pills, not have a device that's is reusable. We keep using yourself and it gives. So anyway, that's what got me really interested into it. That it does a lot of different things. There's like 59 core things on it. But [00:05:00] what really made me pull the trigger to do something was PTSD and trauma.

So in the United States, we've got 44 suicides a day, 22 military vets, 15 1st responders, five medical workers, two active duty, and that's not counting civilians. And I saw how successful it was with PTSD. But frankly, Jeffrey pissed me off that it was being held hostage in a clinical environment with some handful of doctors.

So that was my main motivation initially was There's got to be a way to design some affordable pocket type device that, is everyone could afford and have access to. So I start off very naively is ah, just take a little circuit board and a coil. And well, you have to catch a bunch of those on fire.

And, you got a pile of coils around the corner. It's no, wasn't that easy, but finally figured it out. We'll go into two more details or can if you want to, but it's. That was the main initiative was PTSD originally, but some of the [00:06:00] stuff we're doing with it right now is super exciting.

We have other clinical trials going on that are mind boggling. So yeah, I'm super excited about those. And part of my sinister plan is it's for people and pets. So people in the the COVID pandemic decriminalize the use of drugs that could actually be potentially contagious to a person. If you go man on the street and you ask somebody, Hey, do you know what PMF is?

About one out of 20 people, maybe two will know what it is. I'll know a beamer mat or a mat at their chiropractor or something. But if you go talk to a horse owner, everyone knows what PMF is. They all know what Magnawave is. They know their veterinarian comes out, treats the horses. So it's super exciting on helping people, pets, dogs, horses, and everyone's going to laugh and giraffes.

So we're trying to test it with a giraffe right now to get giraffes to mate.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay. So Mark, there's a lot there, but let's start with the basics for someone who's listening for the first time. What I love about our upcoming conversation, DeepAlpNation, there is a business narrative here, but there's also a health narrative and it's all combined into one. So for the [00:07:00] casual listener from a health perspective, they're hearing.

P. M. F. For pulse electromagnetic field. It's a mouthful. P. M. F. They're gonna ask the question. Okay, Mark, where did P. M. F. Come from? How long have we been using it? What's the story on that one?

Mark Fox: Yeah, a lot of people are starting to call it PEMF for that reason because PEMF is too hard to say. it's not voodoo. You think about it this way. Magnetic therapy has been around for 3500 years. Literally, it's like D. C. Time has been documented about 100 years or so ago, it was discovered that a pulse electromagnetic field that turned on and off is much, much more therapeutic.

Now, actually, P. M. F. Is the first heartbeat. You could a magnetometer app on your phone right now. See the earth's heartbeat beating at 7. 83 hertz, 3. It has three heartbeats. So you're surrounded in PMF, everything on the world is. So it's not something that's super like voodoo, but look at it this way.

I go to a higher level of [00:08:00] simplicity. It's an energy exchange and nothing in the world happens without energy exchange. You don't breathe oxygen, you don't know metabolism, you don't cook food, you don't fall down, break your arm, you don't drive your car. Everything's energy exchange. So the energy can be exchanged to your body.

Think of sunlight. Okay, so it could be light. It could be magnetic fields. It could be vibration. It could be sound. So or electrical current and probably the most common thing people are going to know is a tens unit T. E. N. S. Which is electrical pads that you're going to put on yourself. That's electrical.

energy exchange. But all of those modes work as far as energy exchange and putting energy into the body. And we'll tell you what we do and don't know in the community as far as how that works at a high level. But I chose PMF because it's more convenient. You don't have any wires in your body. You don't have to sit, at least initially it shows that you have to sit in front of a light, although we're going to design a light.

We already have designed a light prototype to put on a desk. But anyway, [00:09:00] and when people go on, this is a bunch of BS. Well, MIT discovered that you can reverse Alzheimer's flickering light at 40 hertz by accident. So they're doing lots of human studies on right now. There's already products out there that flicker at 40 hertz to reverse Alzheimer's.

I've talked to the guys at M. I. T. I got to school a couple of them, which made me feel good one day because I knew some stuff they didn't. But people like it was kind of funny because he's like, what frequencies did yours run ago? 1 to 1000 hurts? He goes. Well, You can't see anything over 60 Hertz. I go, but you didn't take the rat's eyes open either. So how did the rat get the energy in his body? And he's like, we never figured that out. So I told that to a friend of mine who's like a top pediatrics radiologist in the United States. She goes, Hey Mark, they discovered that your skin has light receptors in like 2001.

So I went back to this MIT guy. I go, Hey, your skin has light receptors. He goes, nah, it doesn't that's much crap. I sent him all the research. He goes, okay. Huh? that made me feel good. I could school of M. I. T. Guy. But that's it at the highest level. It's an energy exchange. You don't cook [00:10:00] anything on a campfire and without an energy exchange.

And it's just putting energy into yourselves quickly at the highest level. We know that yourselves have a voltage on a car battery. The voltage gets low, you get sick. So this recharges cells, batteries, and that's been proven. The second thing is ATP. It's the main fuel that your cells use for food and energy.

It increases ATP up to 500%. So at the highest level, PMF or any of these modes are giving your cells a new voltage, increasing the voltage. and giving yourselves food so your body can do what it does best, which is heal itself.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay, so there's a lot going on their default nation and for their benefit, mark. I mean, you are, if I can use the word heavy hitter, you're a heavy hitter. I mean, you're not someone just off the street. Former space shuttle chief engineer. You have a science background. And as you mentioned earlier, You were very skeptical when this first came in, but you saw the difference that it made with your dog and out there with [00:11:00] horses and other animals.

And I know, DeepAuthNation, let's take a step back for a second. If you go back as humans to our roots, Far from what we have today, our feet were touching the earth. So we were grounding. You heard a lot about that. You'll hear more about that out there. We were grounding. We're out in the sun. We're getting all the benefits of all the wonderful things that the earth has to give us.

Compared to today, we're wearing shoes that insulate us. So we're not grounded to the earth. We're indoors most of the time with this fake light and all these high Blue lights that are being emitted at us each and every day. And so you mentioned something a little bit earlier and you can share with me, Jeffrey, you're on base, off base.

You talked about the earth's pulse, which I believe some people call the Schumann resonance, which is what really keeps us grounded, keeps us healthy. It's like a signal for our body that keeps us in a good place. So what's going on with the Schumann residence or the earth's pulse or what's going on in the ionosphere with that?

Why do we need that? Why is that important for our health?

Mark Fox: couple of comments there. One [00:12:00] is the grounding mats. I have my feet on one right now as we're talking without shoes on. What that's doing is actually kind of reverse polarity. It's pulling negative ions and stuff out of your body back into the ground. PMF and these other therapies are putting positive energy into the body.

So what the Schumann frequencies are, and that's exactly what they are, those three is, they're actually caused, we believe, from lightning bolts echoing off the ionosphere. So it makes the earth a bell, and that just happens to be the resonance frequencies of Vibration, because if there's a sound and magnetic fields, obviously coming off electrical lightning bolt, right?

Just like electrical currents can create a magnetic field and vice versa, at least alternating how, what it does to keep us alive and every living thing alive on the planet. And is it crucial to that? That hasn't really been proven. Cause you can understand that you go put people in a. dark hole somewhere and put him in, grounding shields where you can't get access to.

They've done that. People get sick, you take it away from them. But, it's not really humane to put [00:13:00] somebody in a iron cave for eight months to see what it does to At least not since the 60s and LSD, and I'm not allowed to do that anymore, I'm supposed to. So, I get into this debate a lot with doctors is, they'll go, what's the mechanism action?

Explain exactly how this works. And I go, you know what, timeout. You don't know how aspirin works. And that's been around for 3000 years. If you think you can prove how aspirin works, you're crazy or you're out of your mind because you don't know. You don't know how any drug in the world works. None. You have theories how it works.

So what I tell people rule number one, this has been my driving force. Make sure you don't hurt anybody. So I've spent forever with testing and every, we get so many emails calls day about EMF yet it is in the electromagnetic spectrum. But the analogy is when you go to a dentist to get an x ray, you're putting a lead curtain on your chest because that's 10 to the 12th power frequency.

And that's trillions and trillions of good zillions, right? Okay. This is 1 to 1000 hertz on a scale. This [00:14:00] is actually zero. You can't even see it. So there's good E. M. F. S. And there's bad E. M. S. For example, your cell phone is a million times higher frequency than these devices. Bluetooth and WiFi and those things are much, much more so.

And it collapses back on itself and it's not designed to transfer a signal to a tower so you can talk to somebody. So they are in the E. M. F. Spectrum. So we get customers sometimes have a little E. M. F. Gauge and they go, it's putting out E. M. F. Well, you don't even know what that gauge is measuring and how, it's like, what's the sample rate and getting all that kind of stuff.

But it's almost side effects are kind of, if you're in severe pain, The first time you use it, don't be driving a car because you may get stoned or drunk. Like your body will release so many endorphins because if you've been in pain for 20 years and that's not there, your body doesn't know what to do. And it kicks them, it's a high, it's a runner's high.

I've had people actually backpedal and like they're drunk, in 20 the chair but that's rare. And usually only somebody that's. You've been suffering with pain for 30 years or something. So

Jeffrey Feldberg: So let me ask you this, Mark, if we take a step [00:15:00] back here, so you very skeptically stumbled upon this technology that's been around for thousands of years. We just haven't known about that. And you looked into it, the science checked out, you began using this for your pet and all of a sudden now you find yourself really at a crossroads.

And you made the leap. You took the entrepreneurial leap of starting a company, despite the fact to your point earlier, and I want to flush this out a little bit, this is something you're not really going to hear of mainstream because this is the worst business model. for the big pharma. It's a one time purchase.

It's not a lifetime subscription of all kinds of drugs and other therapeutics that you keep on going back to the doctors. Doctors aren't necessarily going to be telling you about this. Not that they have any malicious intent. They just don't know about this. They're not educated about this. So you decided to start a company really going uphill because you're up against the multi gazillion dollar pharma industry.

This is something that's not mainstream. People hear this [00:16:00] and they think, what, I'm going to have something that's putting these vibrations or these waves into my body. Doesn't quite sound so, so right. So what was it that had you make the leap from, okay, I could use this at home and it made a difference and yeah, I get the science now as a science guy and a fact based guy, but I'm not going to start a company and really look to make a difference out there.

What was that leap for you?

Mark Fox: the leap really initially was what I said earlier is seeing PTSD and the suicides outside just the military, the amount, actually a lot of civilian women have bad boyfriends, bad husbands, miscarriages, crappy kids. And to see that this could actually help them, but they didn't have access to it. That really is kind of what started it when a lot of people don't know.

70 percent of the FDA's research budget is funded by the drug companies are government. And that's a fact. Anyone can go look up, which is kind of disgusting. But it's that's and back to the skepticism. going at it from a scientific point of view is the study of 20, 70 years or so.

I still don't believe pieces of it. So. [00:17:00] And all the Facebook haters in the world that I have, and trust me, I have a ton of them. I don't, I have antidotal data from all kinds of different conditions and ailments that I don't really market or publish because I don't have third party independent studies yet.

And I'm a startup company, right? I don't have billions of dollars to run. All my research is funded by limited cash flow I get from selling these and my wife's retirement 401k, literally, I mean, it's all coming out of my personal savings. We know it works for blood sugar reduction in anyone see, but I got to get a third party tested.

I'm doing that right now. I stayed away from the Vegas nerve for several years because I'm a rocket scientist, not a doctor, and I don't even play one on TV. But there's so much data now that shows if you can get the Vegas nerve tone to correctly. It fixes so many things. So we have a new product coming out next week, which is a Vegas nerve stimulator or Vegas nerve toner.

It's a pendant that you wear around your neck and we're running [00:18:00] more clinical trials on that to prove it works. But it's the video game of life. 

right? I I'm still playing with stuff, learning new things. And another example real quick, okay. For a year, I had people contact me.

What do you have for Lyme disease? Nothing. I don't know anything about Lyme disease. Leave me alone. I don't have an answer, But I got so many calls. And if you do Jeff, if you do a zoom call with a Facebook lyme group, they're in the most horrible pain and it's awful and they don't have a solution.

So I looked into it, did much research. Look at other people's research found a frequency that will kill the Lyme bacteria. But the problem is when you kill lyme it spits poison out. So everyone quit using it because it made them sick. So it's like now we're trying to fine tune that, which is how do you run. The frequency to kill the bacteria, but then run liver support and lymphoid support to get the toxins out of your body and then kill it again and then amp up the inner.[00:19:00] 

So that's going, we're doing clinical trials on that right now. If we find the formula for that, and I'm confident we will, that's a game changer for people with Lyme. And so it's, there's lots of things like that to keep coming along and it's like people ask me all the time. What do you got for this?

Sometimes like, I don't even know what that acronym means, right? You got to go look it up and go, 

Jeffrey Feldberg: So Mark, it sounds as though with your science background and your curiosity, and I'm going to say your openness. to looking at, I mean, let's face it, this is ancient technology. I think the biggest mistake that we make today is we look at ourselves, Oh, look how advanced we are. Anyone who's come before us was back in the Stone Age.

Perhaps parts of that is true, but other parts of it simply isn't. Ancient civilizations and the science keeps on showing this. We're catching up with it. New things that we are still learning. So it sounds like you have this. Research this data that you're looking at. Okay, for this particular ailment, how could some kind of a frequency or how could I deal with this in a drug free way?

And by the way, default nation, all of this, [00:20:00] it is simply our opinions. This is not medical advice. Always check with your health practitioner before you're doing anything. So let's go back to basic now with your advanced PMF device. because it's something that can help so many people. And again, you can say Jeffrey on base or off base as I look to society today.

Now, this study is dated and I've talked about this before on the show, where it was something in the order of close to nine out of 10. If you look around nine out of 10 people around us here in the U. S. We have some kind of metabolic disease. I suspect it's probably closer to 10 now. And we can go into why that's a whole other, not episode, but series of what we're eating, the food, the environment, all those other kinds of things.

It seems to me that, Mark, people have taken it as quote unquote normal. We've been brainwashed that as Age comes upon us. It's normal and I'm using air quotes to feel pain, to lose that jump intercept, to not have our focus or our energy and to have joint pain. And the list just goes on and on that we just slow down [00:21:00] until we simply die.

Tell us about that narrative of where that's wrong and off base and how this device can really help us get back to hopefully the real normal and being energetic and focused and full of life.

Mark Fox: No, if it can fix everything, make you live longer. All I can see is what it's doing and testimonials we're getting from people. Example, a lady last week, right? Ran general information in arthritis. She's I think her daughter said she's 89 years old, and the doctor freaked out when she came to get blood work because she didn't have a walker or a cane.

And he goes, where's your walker and your cane? She goes, I don't need it anymore. It's really? So just looking at those studies and then you get into an argument with the skeptics, right? The super skeptics is it complete placebo? I doubt it because we have enough data. You can look at blood flow, clotting, that kind of thing.

But it's, even if it was for you, it's extreme example. I use someone's suicidal and have a gun in their mouth and now they don't. I don't care if it's 100 percent placebo or they're getting [00:22:00] divorced for the kids who want to be around them and now they do and they're staying together and the kids are happy.

When I get asked this every day, where is the biomarkers to go measure this stuff? And I give them examples of depends which ailment you're looking at cytokines for pain. You can go look at heart rate variability for PTSD sleep, that kind of, but you know where they're on the best litmus test in the world is.

Go ask your friends, family, spouse and kids are you less complaining? Are you going out and doing stuff? And it's freaking people out. Can I tell them to do that? Because they're not coming from to telling them. Yeah, you know, Steve, we haven't invite you over for barbecue a couple of years because we don't like you anymore.

You're just agitated all the time. And now you've been over twice in the last three months. Why do you think that is? It's pleasant to be around again. So there's some of those litmus test things that are with ADHD, for example, Jeffrey, it's, Usually the conversation is the teacher calling the parents going, change Johnny's medication.

What is it? Cause he's doing way better. We can change his medication. We did this thing. The one that, and it's where I get a lot of my wholesale accounts. [00:23:00] is somebody goes in for blood sugar, they get their A1C measured by the doctor, goes, Hey, your A1C for the first time in 15 years is awesome. And blood sugar is low.

As you finally listened, you finally did exercise and change your diet and they go, Nope, I use this thing. So then he snatched it out of their hands. And the doctor calls me and goes, what is this? So then explain it to them as best I can, like we've been talking here. And then they ended up being coming, my wholesalers.

The amount of wholesalers I'm getting are probably 20 times more than I did eight months ago, right? I

Jeffrey Feldberg: love that. Yeah. And so, Mark, walk us through this, Mark. So, Deep Health Nation, go to the show notes. In the show notes, there's going to be a number of links. One of the links is going to be for Rizona Health, R E S O N A Health. And what I want you to do is look at the different devices that are there, what they're talking about.

So, for the listener, though, you can't see the device. Mark, I would describe, and I'm going to date myself a little bit, when I first saw the device, it almost It took me back to, or it did take me back to the early iPod days. It looks like, [00:24:00] about the size of an iPod. It's got a screen on it. So I now have this device and I know every person's journey is different and you'd be perfectly right to say, Jeffrey, with the question that you're asking me, I can't tell you because each person's different, where they at in their life, what's going on.

But generally speaking, I now have this device. How does it work? What am I doing? How long am I using it for? What's going on with that?

Mark Fox: yeah, and so good. It worked Jeffrey because I purposely designed it to look like an old iPod for familiarity. Okay.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay. Okay.

Mark Fox: as well because it actually is an MP3 player. It just doesn't have a speaker. It has a coil. All the programs in that device are MP3s. They're songs. So it's playing songs through a coil that's making a magnetic field instead of sound that you hear now.

So it's a song that your body can hear, but your ears can't. So it actually looks like now another one that nobody will tell you that you might. The colors on the screen purposely are the same colors of the Star [00:25:00] Trek tricorder. Again, for familiarity. So it looks like old Star Trek stuff if you're dated as I am or the old iPod, right?

So that's the 1st part of your question is it's designed like that on purpose. The 2nd 1 is how often you use it. This is a general guideline to tell people 3 to 4 times a week minimum for 30 days. It doesn't help in that time frame. You either misdiagnose yourself and it's not that problem, or it's just not going to work for you.

So, I mean, you think about drugs have like a 50 60 percent success rate. On most of the protocols we have, like we have a 98 percent success rate, which is insane. Some of the ones are not near as high I hate to admit it, because Prostate is probably 65%. I wish it was 90 percent because then all the old guys would quit calling and screaming at me.

So I'd love to get that higher, but that's not where we're at today. It's weird you know, it's not a controlled scientific environment, but here's what's happening when I tell people, you don't need to use it 10 times a day is if people are in pain or whatever it is, mentally, anxiety, physical, mental, and they use this three [00:26:00] times a day or four times a day and they feel better.

They're not going to go back and experiment on themselves and say, hey, can I do it once a day or once a week and still feel good? They don't care because it's so non invasive. I don't even know what I have in my pocket until I reach for my phone and I grab that instead of my phone, right? So it's super non invasive.

I have one friend who's an ex race car driver. He's had four concussions. He's been on fire twice. He was taken eight ambient a night for 15 years. You should be dead doing that. He doesn't take any more Ambien. He's got 15 of these things. He has them strapped all over him. He's constantly running it. So you can't overdose, but it can make you tired if you way overdo it.

So almost every time somebody calls and it's not that often when they go, Hey, I feel tired. Is this causing? I go, how many times a day are you using it? They go 10. Okay. Or 15. I think we'll cut back. Cause You need to give your body time to use the energy you just put in there the analogy I use is eating three Chinese meals in 15 minutes, right?

You're gonna go lay on the [00:27:00] couch while your body's trying to digest all this carbs. So, just give it some chance, give yourself a chance to heal. So, I mean, that's a long answer to what you asked me, but that's it. 30 days, one personal story is just a vulnerability here. I screwed myself up is I thought I had sciatica.

I never heard it had in my life, but I had every symptom. So I kept running sciatica and it didn't help. Then it dawned on me walking on the beach. I live here in Cocoa beach is there's a family out in the ocean. Their soccer ball was washing away. So I kicked it back up to their towel and it rolled back to my feet.

So I kicked it again. It rolled back to my feet and I, am I committed to this stupid ball or not? So I kicked as hard as I could and it went flying up past her toes. I forgot about that. My foot kind of got a little numb walking home. That's what I did. I pulled a bunch of muscles and tendons. It wasn't nerve sciatica related.

So I ran general inflammation and stuff for tendons and it went away.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Yeah. Wow. So fascinating. I mean, so many different areas that we can go with. So from what you're saying, and again, Jeffrey, you're on base off base. When I have the device, when I have the [00:28:00] unit, the vibe, I can have the vibe. I can have it hanging perhaps around my neck with a lanyard. I can have it in my pocket.

Is it just plug and play? Push a button, then it just starts playing. I just go about my activities. I don't have to worry if I have this ailment or that ailment. The body knows what it's going to do. It's just going to take care of things automatically or what's going on there.

Mark Fox: For the most part, no. I mean, you will get some benefit from running the wrong protocol, but there's 59 on there in their alphabetical order. You scroll to the one you want, you hit play. And they range the 40 minutes in length. So you just run the entire length until it's done. And each one's completely different.

They're minimum of 30 minutes long. The longest one is PTSD, which is two and a half hours. It's very complex. But yeah, you went with a lantern to put in your pocket. And I gave up about a year and a half ago telling women to quit putting it in a bra because they do it anyway. it's funny because when I get an email or a call, multiple times a week, Hey, mine got wet.

What do I do? There you go. You dropped it in the toilet, didn't you? And they're like, what are you, a psychic? I go, no, it's the only way it can get wet. [00:29:00] Until last week, somebody jumped in a jacuzzi with one in their pocket. They forgot they had, I mean, that's part of the thing is it's so non invasive. 

Things like sleep. There's a specific sleep protocol, 46 minutes long, I think, and you'd run it an hour before bed. I tell people to do that now instead of put it under a pillow because if you have tile on your floor and you smash it, it goes flying across the room and it's the tile.

Yes, you can't crack the screen. We put thicker screens on there for people. Anyway, but no, for the most part, what's the biggest problem you have? Triage this right? What's the top one or two things that are causing you the most pain and agony? Run those three to four times a week, 30 days.

You can do it more if you want to, but it's not really necessary. So it's not perfect for every single person and some features they want. but for 99. 9 percent of the masses, it's as simple and as easy as I knew how to design it. It's just scroll them alphabetically, click the one you want, put in your pocket.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And again, you can say Jeffrey on base for office. I'm just going to pull some things randomly out of the air. Perhaps I'm waking up and went to my [00:30:00] doctor, say, Oh, Jeffrey, you know, what your A1C levels are rising and you should be cautious about that.

So I can find on the screen, okay, for inflammation. And I'm just going to. Play it and go about my day a little bit later on in the day perhaps even nighttime before bed I'm gonna find that and push play and so what I'm doing that it's like an mp3 list But it's not being used as one after the other it's just there that I can select whatever ailment I happen to be feeling and just like when I go into my car I don't know how my engine works you probably do mark I don't all I know is I push a button the engine turns on and I drive And same thing with this, depending on the ailment, there's a different frequency that's coming out of this and you figure that out behind the scenes with all the science and it's a really a data point of one.

How am I feeling over a period of time? Is it better? Is it not better? What's going on? And really taking it along those lines. And again, this is not medical advice. It's simply us sharing our opinions, our experiences. Now we hear a lot about mental health and it seems as though it's getting [00:31:00] worse, not better.

Anecdotally, have you heard some stories from some of your clients and from the community of what's going on with that?

Mark Fox: I mean, we have lots and lots of stories it could be for example, running anxiety before you give a big speech or you're going ask for a promotion, sleep's kind of obvious one before, you know, if I'm not sleeping very well, for me. That's the most used protocol I use because I my entire life would have bad nightmares.

When I run the sleep protocol, I usually get Halle Berry or something that's way more pleasant than systems and stuff. So a condition specific to relax and balance. You suffer from road rage in your car, maybe run, relax and balance while you're driving to that drive.

That's always pisses you off every morning, right? A lot of those types of things. So just Success stories already said, and again, most ones are recent that pop in my head like that is the lady that, got rid of her cane had this guy call me and says it was real, you know, older gentleman. He goes, Hey, Mark.

My wife has dementia. She hasn't been able to [00:32:00] complete the sentence for a year and a half. And we ran your little gizmo. and she could talk now. And I said, that's the most excitement you get about your wife being able to talk. So he said, okay. And then there's one lady's hey, the doctors don't know what it is.

Every other week my arm, it's just really bad. It's debilitating. I scratched myself. So I'm bleeding. What is it? She goes, I don't know. Doctors don't know. I'm like, okay, I don't know either, but try general inflammation and try allergies and see if it goes away. Again, I don't want to go on forever because I literally have about 1000 of these stories.

But this one, if it doesn't raise the hair in your arms, you're not human. A 17 year old girl said, Mark, I'll never have a date in my life because I'm a monster. I have Tourette's. Every boy in school hates me. They think I'm an ogre. I ran the brain balancing. I didn't tell her to do that. I ran the brain balancing protocol, my Tourette's disappeared and I have a date Saturday night.

She ended up two years later marrying the guy.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Wow. Amazing.

Mark Fox: Yeah. I've got my doctors last year. I had three doctors in the [00:33:00] same week. This is a weird. sink because they all called me in the same week and said, Hey, this thing's kicking butt for MS. Like a multiple sclerosis. I don't have a protocol for that. What are you running?

Fibromyalgia. And they went, yep. So you can look at it this way. In general, 80 percent of the ailments out there, it's inflammation of whatever. So just run general information. Brain balancing is a concussion expanded protocol that all, a lot of the doctors just use at the end of therapy because it's doing magic and they're not sure how if it's toxicity related, run the liver protocol.

This one's not so obvious if it's eye related. I say anything with your eyes run liver and kidney. is your liver and kidney is actually connected to the health. If it's fibromyalgia and neuropathy run fibromyalgia protocol. So we have a ton. And I, that's what I do when somebody says, Hey, you got anything for RSMG?

I go, what is that? So you got to Google it. You don't do that without a cold drink because you can't unsee the pictures. You go, what am I looking at? And then you just [00:34:00] read it and it's oh, it's inflammation of this, or it's toxicity of that, or so and so. And you say, try it. It can't hurt you. See if that helps.

And then it doesn't help. It's not 100 percent of the time, unfortunately, nothing is, but. Success rate is actually shockingly large for me

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so for the folks that have been around like myself, it's like an iPod player, but there's no headphone jack, and I'm not hearing anything, it's simply vibrations that are going through the unit from this coil that's in there that I'm feeling on my body, whether it's around my neck on a lanyard or in my pocket, that's all that it takes.

For the newer generation, it would be like, picture a smartphone, you have the screen, and you're playing a particular song, but you're not hearing the song, there's no speakers on it, your body is feeling it, and your body knows what to do. So far so good with that?

Mark Fox: so far. So if you put the coils right against your ear, you can hear a little vibration because the coils are vibrating. There's not a diaphragm like in a speaker moving air, but it's going to move a little bit of air. Now we have discovered about 0. 1 percent of our customers have superhuman hearing [00:35:00] and they could actually hear the pitch.

But it's very few people. I don't shoot a video and go. Mine's broken. They send the video and nobody can. I can't hear it. They send it back to me. There's nothing wrong with it. But yeah, for the most part, and it'll get warm. It'll get up to 105 Fahrenheit. It's putting out quite a bit of energy.

So you usually want to put it on the outside of your shirt. You can put against your skin. But if you got super tight pants or heavily insulated stuff, just the lanyard or the pocket is usually Okay. The better place to put

lasts about five hours. And when people go, hey, I want one that's got a 25 hour battery. I go, well, it's going to be the size of a football and it's going to weigh two pounds. So this one weighs 2. 4 ounces. So again, to design it, to have it around your neck with a lanyard. You want as light as possible.

It's a big engineering trade off, battery life versus complexity versus weight, all of those things. About five hours. It takes hour and a half to charge it.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so Mark, we've been talking about the health issues and again, I'm oversimplifying it for people that have been familiar with the iPod. It's like an iPod without the speakers. And there's all [00:36:00] kinds of selections there. You pick one that resonates with you in terms of what you're feeling or any ailments, and you just let the body and the device do the rest.

We're not necessarily hearing it, but the body is feeling it because of the coil that's going on in there. And it's science backed. I mean, you're a science guy, former space shuttle chief engineer, all the science, all the studies that you've been doing that go along with that. So I want to shift now from the health side to the business side, because we spoke earlier, you're up against Big Pharma.

And again, we can go down the whole conspiracy theories and all those other things that Big Pharma and the FDA and all the other government agencies are all in cahoots. We're going to leave it off to the side, just as an entrepreneur, one entrepreneur to another. How's the business been for you with the regulatory agencies and This, I would suspect is really pushing the envelope because there's no prescription here.

There's no drug. You don't see a doctor. You're not getting prescribed. You're not going to the pharmacy. And when it works for people, it's not a recurring revenue. It's okay. I have the device. I'm using this. Hey, it's working for me. Look at this. My life has changed. Amazing. Off I go. What's that been like [00:37:00] on the flip side for you?

Mark Fox: Not fun. So, and this is good news, bad news. I think I'm the fastest growing PMF company in the country. Even though I'm almost a tiny startup, that's the good news. Bad news is, yeah, you get on FDA's radar screen and they don't want to see something really working like that. And quite frankly, your competitors, if he, I'll have a lot of different people tell me, a competitor probably turned you in because you're stealing sales from them because Well, I mean, not to be named Matt, but the most popular Matt out there is 7, 000, right?

The machine for the horses is 15, 000. So, changed the game on far as what it costs out there. So, so that's been a struggle and I've done everything in the world I can to. go beyond complying, but to keep flanking me from different angles, like you're doing this, I'm like, well, I changed all that. Well, you're doing this, you're doing that.

So I don't know if we're actually stand with the guy I've heard from a few months, but we've done everything we can to bend over to be compliant. And I [00:38:00] understand the principle of where they're coming from. For somebody to tell, Hey, this cures Alzheimer's and it's a scam. I get that you take old ladies monies and stuff.

I get that intent, but here's what I tell every Facebook hater is How is it a scam if I have a money back guarantee? If it doesn't work for you, you give your money back, and you send it back. So I don't, there's no financial model to scam it the way I'm doing it that I understand. That I can figure, I'm not smart enough to figure out how to do that if I did want to scam somebody.

So, that, that part's been tough. Honestly, I mean. The hardest part for me personally is the Facebook haters that I actually care trying to explain to them how screwed up they are and off base and then you just get assaulted. 

They're words that are not in the dictionary, but they should be. And one of them was Bozone. Bozone is a combination of bozo and ozone. It's an invisible gas. that stops new ideas from getting it. So I always tell people, get rid of your bozone, give it a [00:39:00] chance, be skeptical.

You should be skeptical. I still am, but it doesn't mean it doesn't work. Find me anyone in the world that can actually, that's not in the industry that can explain how a cell phone works.

Jeffrey Feldberg: But what's been interesting based on your research, your experience you said, hey, this helped me. I want to bring this out to other people that are unnecessarily suffering. And perhaps there are other solutions out there. They're incredibly expensive. What if I, as an engineer can really put something together that works. It's compact. It's very simple to use and it's affordable.

Try it. Terrific. You don't like it. That's fine too. Full money back guarantee and not necessarily the best business model, Mark, but it's really what you're doing is helping other people. You're solving some fairly significant problems. I would imagine. This could be the last resort for people. They've gone to all the doctors.

They've got all the diagnoses and it's hopeless for them. Or it's just undiagnosed or, Hey, everything's fine. I don't know what you're talking about. Why are you complaining? All the tests are coming back normal, but it's not. And perhaps this is the one thing now that's really making a difference in saving [00:40:00] them.

And so Mark, big picture wise, I know you're looking at different frequencies for different ailments. As you look down the road, a year, three years, five years, where do you see the company? What's going on with that?

Mark Fox: We have a new, we have a Vegas nerve stimulator coming. I made The VIBEas simple as I could. It's alphabetical 59 clicking. Like we said, you put in your pocket. The Vegas nerve stimulator is a a necklace pendant and it's got a button on. Is it nothing to do? You just turn it on and wear it. So, and the Vegas nerve is doing some amazing.

So that's the one that's coming out next. I have a watch that I've already designed of debating whether to launch that or not. But here's To answer your question, my highest dream is, and I got to say a little quiet so she doesn't activate over there, Alexis. Okay. I want to say, Alexis, run dementia or Alzheimer's in the living room.

And we can deliver this. I said magnetic fields, electrical current, light, vibration or sound. The smart bulbs exist in your [00:41:00] house. If I could run the MP three through the lights, which I can, I could deliver the therapy and the energy through the lights you already have in your house.

The reason I can't do it today, maybe you'll be your podcast will be the one that solves this. Nobody at Phillips will call me back. I need to know how to get around the bridge. So there's a bridge. When you turn a light bulb on in your house, it doesn't come on automatically. They're designed to have a slow ramp of a couple hundred milliseconds so it doesn't shock your eyes.

Okay, design of it. Well, I can't turn it on and off 1000 times a second if there's a ramp on there. So I got to get around the stupid ramp. I don't have that. The other one, which is a dream, big dream. Almost every cell phone coming out now has a cheap coil in it for charging your phone. So that's energy going through the coil into the battery.

There's got to be a way to hack the phone with an app so I can run the protocol out the coil. you could do that, I could turn every phone that had a cheap coil into a therapy device with a simple app. Mhm. already designed an app, but nobody could tell me how to, they're telling [00:42:00] me it's impossible to get around the firmware and the way the phone is designed.

And I'm not a cell phone designer, but those are kind of my dream is run Alzheimer's in the kitchen light. I mean, just talking to Alexa or getting it on a phone or you, I mean, Peter Diamandis, he always talks about that as you make it more and more combined, ubiquitous, whatever. Everyone's got a cell phone.

I even looked at this. Yeah. Honestly, I actually forgot I did this because it was like three years ago and I got distracted is flickering the screen on your phone. So everyone's looking at the screen and the pixels. I could run the frequencies through the pixels as you're doing Facebook and you don't even know you get the therapy unless I mean, you know it because you selected it.

But those are some dream answers. But dude, I'm 63. I don't know how long my runway is, right? Is my wife will go focus. Quit, and quit dreaming up new stuff, right? Come up with something, fix what you got, prove it working. So, yeah, we are. But yeah, that's a long answer to that stuff that still makes me dream is possible, right?

That you could do something like it.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Yeah, so much out there. And Hopefully, these things will [00:43:00] come to pass. You'll be able to figure that out and let's hope that the regulators with the winds of political change that have now taken place start working with us to get these things done. So let me ask you this, Mark. We're going to go into wrap up mode.

I know there are so many questions that were buzzing around in my mind that I wanted to ask, I didn't have a chance to ask. Is there a question I didn't ask or a message that we haven't covered yet or even a topic that you'd like to get out to the DeepAuth Nation before we go into the wrap up mode?

Yeah 

Mark Fox: No, I think I already said it as part of the closing thing is always Bozone. Get rid of it. If you got any, go try something. It might work, it might not, but what do you have to lose? And you mentioned this earlier, if it's not horse people, the way most people find out about this is Nothing else has worked for them, right?

They've been in pain for 20 years, physically or mentally. You mentioned one, and this is very common, fibromyalgia. We have a huge success rate with it. And doctors would tell their patients, Ah, it's in your head, it ain't real. I can't find anything wrong. You said that. I can't find anything wrong with you on the test.

Okay. Well, you don't find the test necessarily in your [00:44:00] bloodstream for anxiety either. Which made me think here is a cool thing. We can actually now see PTSD and trauma in your cells. You can see if it's there and if it's not at the microscopic level. It's an expensive test, obviously, but you can actually.

See that now with biomarkers and stuff. So, and that was impossible. That didn't exist, a few years ago. And now it does. So it's back to the liar, liar, pants on fire to keep your mind open.

Jeffrey Feldberg: it's amazing. Again, ancient civilizations have known about some of these things for eons now, we're just finding out, but you have the so called, I'm using air quotes, thought leaders, scientists saying it doesn't exist, can't work, let's forget about it, let's just keep on going the way that we've been going, again, a whole other episode.

Really appreciate the pioneering work that you're doing. So that said, Mark, we're at the point where we're going to start wrapping things up is a tradition here on the deep podcast, where it's really a privilege and honor for me to ask the same question to every guest. And it's a really fun question.

Let me set this up for you. When you think of the movie back to the future, you have that magical DeLorean car that will take you to any point in time. So imagine now it's tomorrow [00:45:00] morning. You look outside your window. Not only is the DeLorean car there, it's curbside, the door is open. You're going to hop on in and you're now going to go to.

Any point in your life, Mark, as a young child, a teenager, whatever point in time it would be, Mark, what would you tell your younger self in terms of life lessons or life wisdom? Or Hey, Mark, do this, but don't do that. What would that sound like?

Mark Fox: Where I'd go in the car is probably a million years in the future. Cause my friends like, why do you want to live forever? I go, I don't want to live forever, but I want to see what happens next. I'm just curious. I'm just super interested. About that. My younger self. I've always been curious is that's what gets me up in the morning. Still. It's fun to go learn something new. I think it's part of my anti Alzheimer's program is having to think of new stuff all the time. When people go, you know, let me buy this thing and take it away from you and you go, I don't want to go fishing. I don't like fishing. I like thinking about new stuff and how to come up with a different way to get around this obstacle stuff.

And that's what I enjoyed a lot about the rockets and the space shuttle program was. The [00:46:00] space shows around 30 years. It was never a production program. It was a 30 year experiment, literally. So you'd and whatever's on the launch pad is a year and a half. You built it a year and a half earlier.

So you like looking at your notebook the day of the launch going, Oh crap. I probably wouldn't do that today. Now that I have a year and a half more knowledge, but is it still safe to fly? So, I mean, that's always just fun to me about learning new things.

Jeffrey Feldberg: So I'm hearing it's great advice. Be nice to people and learn something new. Be curious. Check things out. Absolutely love that. And Mark, somebody has a question. They want to check out The VIBEunit. They want to pick up a few for themselves, family members, colleagues, loved ones, where it'd be the best place online to see the unit, reach out to you, all of the above.

Fantastic.

Mark Fox: So then go to the main website, risona, r e s o n a dot health. There's no dot com there. risona dot health, it's short for Resonance. Or, to remember is the FDA sucks dot com. And there's tons of knowledge there that you can look at. I have an e book I wrote called, What on Earth Are We Doing to Our Health?

[00:47:00] Which talks about a lot of things we've talked about at a very simple, high level, and they can go as far down the rabbit hole as they want to go to PubMed and read 30, 000 articles. So, however deep they want to go, but the reality is most people don't, most people don't care about that. It's let me give it a try and see if it works.

Well, I got to lose and thankfully it works for most people. 

Jeffrey Feldberg: Depot nation. There you have it. Everything we spoke about today. It's in the show notes. It's a point and click. It doesn't get any easier. And you know what? Why not try it for yourself? See if it moves a dial. I suspect it will make the difference for you, your loved ones, family, even team members, because when we got it right on the inside, personally, we're feeling terrific.

It ultimately flows out into the business and we create a win, win for everyone. Well, Mark, it's official. Congratulations. This is a wrap. And as you love to stay here at deep wealth, may you continue to thrive and prosper while you remain healthy and safe. Thank you so much.

Mark Fox: thank you for having me. Appreciate it. 

Jeffrey Feldberg: So there you have it, Deep Wealth Nation. What did you think? 

So with all that said and as we wrap it up, I have another question for you.

Actually, it's more of a [00:48:00] personal favor. 

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And if you said yes, and I really hope you did, I have a small but really meaningful way that you can actually help us out and keep these episodes coming to you.

Are you ready for it? 

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