341 Morley Robbins

Jeffrey Feldberg: [00:00:00] Morley Robbins, known as the Magnesium Man, is the creator of the Root Cause Protocol and a leading expert on magnesium's crucial role in our health, highlighting its interaction with minerals like iron and copper. With a BA in biology and an MBA in healthcare administration, Morley transitioned from a 32 year career in hospital administration to natural healing after a personal health crisis led him to discover the transformative power of magnesium and chiropractic care.

The experience propelled him to delve into natural healing, leading to the foundation of the Magnesium Advocacy Group, which boasts 250, 000 members. Morley, having conducted over 7, 500 consultations worldwide, is dedicated to educating people on overcoming fatigue and chronic diseases by addressing mineral imbalances, particularly through the Root Cause Protocol. His work emphasizes the importance of copper, magnesium, and iron in preventing inflammation and cellular metabolic [00:01:00] dysfunction, aiming to shift the paradigm of nutritional health and wellness. 

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Welcome to the Deep Wealth Podcast. Well, [00:03:00] he's back, Morley Robbins is back, a friend of the Deep Wealth Nation, a friend of the community who is a game changer when it comes to your health. We had him back on a short while back and he just debunked all these myths on your health and we didn't want to stop there.

So we're going to be continuing. So Morley, welcome back to the Deep Wealth Podcast. Such a pleasure to have you with us. And Morley, we've been growing by leaps and bounds. We're very fortunate. So for the newest members of the community, What's your story? What's the story behind the story, Morley? What got you from where you were to where you are today?

And then from there, we'll talk about some more debunking of myths that is going to have people fall off their chairs when they're going to hear what you're about to say, but one thing at a time. So who are you, Morley Robbins? What's your story? What got you from where you were to where you are today?

Morley Robbins: Well, Jeffrey, I'm honored to be back. I'm looking forward to our discussion. I'm a former hospital guy. I was an executive and then a consultant for 32 years. I began to have questions about the organized medical system about [00:04:00] halfway through that tenure, and A quirk of fate met a chiropractor who I developed what's called frozen shoulder, couldn't pick my arm up off my waist, and chiropractor, who's now my wife

Jeffrey Feldberg: There's a story behind the story on that one.

Morley Robbins: but suddenly I was able to get my arm up and very well kept secret on the planet. And I'm just, my passion and my purpose now is to make people aware of how do we gain health freedom, sovereignty, and Be able to really take care of ourselves.

And so I'm delighted to be here and share those pearls of wisdom as we have the conversation.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Morally, the timing couldn't be better because the numbers keep on changing and they're not numbers we should be proud of. At once upon a time, it was 88 percent of Americans had some kind of metabolic disease and now the number has inched up to 93%. So think of that. Virtually everyone you look at has some kind of metabolic issue.

It's either heading their way. They don't even know it, or they're going through it right now. They may not even know it. We are getting [00:05:00] sicker, not better,

all you out there in Deep Wealth Nation, if I were to ask you for your business, what are your KPIs? In the bat of an eye, you could tell me what they are, Jeffrey, Morley, they're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and off you go with that.

You can tell me what your cash flow is, what your profits are, what your growth rate is, what your conversion rates are, but if I ask you what your health KPIs are, there's gonna be a long pause, a big silence, this is not a good thing. And so, Morley. In the first episode that you and I had done, and again, for our listeners, in the show notes, you could click on the link.

It's all there for you. We're going to be building off of that episode. In that episode, though, Morley, you put the foundation out there of the importance of magnesium, of copper, how iron is not what it's made out to be, how we should be staying away from that, and all the intricacies with that. we're going to And you also came out with the Root Cause Protocol, otherwise known as RCP.

And for our listeners, if you didn't catch the first episode with Morley, again, please click on the show notes, listen to it, but Morley, this is not something that you just hopped onto yesterday and you're talking about it [00:06:00] today. We're talking decades. I have research, deep dive into all these different peer reviewed papers and with your own medical background.

Before we hop into what not to do, because this episode we're focusing on what you should stop doing that you think you're doing for the betterment, but it's actually making you sicker, not better. Can you share for the listener how you do your research, how you got to where you got to, how those decades have just added up and how it's gotten you to where you are?

Morley Robbins: It really began with one of the most important books that I read was by Gary Taubes, who is a three time winner of the Science Writing Award, which is an amazing accomplishment. And he wrote a book, a very important book called Good Calories, Bad Calories. And on the cover of the book is a piece of toast and then a single pat of butter, and you're supposed to try to figure out what are the good calories and what are the bad calories.

And of course, you immediately think, oh, well, the butter is bad, so that must mean the toast is okay. [00:07:00] And of course, what Gary does in the book is 635 pages or something, so it's a real tome. got to really want to learn. an amazing writer, but he has a lot of information. Long story short. I grew up in a very sickly household.

I take after my mom's side of the family. I know how I'm going to die. It's going to be a heart attack. And my mom died of her third, her mom died of her third, her dad died of his second, his dad died of his first. And so that Matthews line, which I take after, I'm a Matthews, that's my middle name Again, I know exactly how I'm going to go.

I just don't know when. I'm doing everything I can to have it happen a lot later than I want. But the point is, I've been very focused on heart disease, cardiovascular issues. For my entire adult life, and what Gary Taubes did was absolutely fillet the cholesterol causes heart [00:08:00] disease argument, masterful job to basically expose the reality that it's not what we've been led to believe. And so what happened was I started to read the literature and began to assemble a list of what are some other beliefs, what's the three letter word in the word belief? Lie. So what are the lies that they've been telling us for many years? And I got to 36 different disconnects. And what I realized was The whole thing is a scam.

And so I flipped it. I said, okay, then what is the truth? And that's what really drove me into the daily routine, seven days a week for 15 years to find out how does the body really work? What is the true origin of symptoms? what really galvanized me a number of years ago was making a statement on Facebook that I thought it was heretical.[00:09:00]

I just wanted to see what the reaction was going to be. But I said, there is no medical disease. There's only stress induced mineral dysregulation that causes metabolic dysfunction and that leads to symptoms. And Jeffrey, when I put that up, that was probably about seven or eight years ago, I was convinced there would be this tsunami of blowback.

What are you talking about? How dare you? Not one comment. And that emboldened me to say, I'm right. I haven't backed off since. And so, that led to my theme, Ignore the Enemies. The pathogens, the heavy metals, the toxins, ignore the enemies, ignite the energy. the RCP, the root cause protocol is very energy centric.

Cure your fatigue. And it's based on the pioneering work of [00:10:00] Douglas Wallace, who's a world renowned geneticist and biologist at CHOP, Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. in 2005, admonished his Professional colleagues, scientists, and clinicians said, you don't understand energy deficiency. And that's where the problem is. And when I found that article, I felt vindicated that it wasn't just this assertion on the part of my intuition. It was scientific fact. That energy deficiency is the basis of all the problems that we have. And so the protocol that we'll chat about today is really designed to say, how do we make more energy?

And in order to make more energy, we need to have more bioavailable copper. It's the lifeblood of our being. It's why we're here on the planet. We were on this beautiful blue marble that has a lot of oxygen. And there's only one [00:11:00] element on the planet that can metabolize that oxygen, turn it back into water so we can release energy.

And it's absolutely mystical how that came into being. And it's a very reproducible event through our daily diet, but you need to know where to look. You need to know what to avoid. And you need to know what to seek out. And that's the basis of the stops and the starts of the protocol.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so more than I don't want to put words in your mouth, and I want to make sure that I'm hearing what I just heard, because really this is foundational. So the long and short of it, the very simple narrative, and not to confuse simple with simplicity, what I'm hearing is everything that we're going to be talking about today, everything that people should stop doing, that they've been misled, that they've been lied to, that perhaps it hasn't been malicious, it's just been misinformation, that it's taking away the body's ability to take the copper within it.

Really work with that to power us, give us [00:12:00] the energy to have us go through day over day healthy, that all these things that we're going to say, stop. And some of them people are literally going to fall off their chair. And well, wait a minute. Morley, my doctor said, I should be doing this. You're saying not to do this, but the basis here, what I'm hearing is, If you're going to continue doing this, it's robbing you of the copper.

And if you don't have the copper in your body, this is where the disease or the dis ease is coming in. And if you keep it up, ultimately it can shorten your life, bring on disease, not have you in optimal health. Am I getting that right?

Morley Robbins: You got it. And the word that I've politely stolen from Yogi Berra is Simplexity. That's the Simplexity of the RCP. there's an element of like, is it really that simple at that target? And it really, I'm convinced it is. It's getting through the layers and layers of beliefs. And internet retreats that people take.

One of the first things I have clients do is go on an internet [00:13:00] diet. Stop going online. Stop confusing yourself. Because there's very few people who understand these minerals the way they need to. Especially if they come out of a more conventional paradigm, and that, that's part of the catch is getting people to realize that there are multiple perspectives on how you can heal the body.

There isn't just one paradigm.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so that said, we're going to dive into 14 different actions that you should stop doing because the secret to success is knowing what to do, but also what not to do. And again, for our listeners, some of these things are very controversial. want to assure you that Morley has done the research. You've gone into the peer reviews, you've reached out to the scientists or the doctors, you've verified the data and truthfully, Morley, every one of these 14 areas, that could be an episode on its own.

So I'm going to ask the listener to give us some faith, check it out for yourself. We're not doctors, do consult with your doctor before you do anything. [00:14:00] There's a little bit of the CYA going on there from our side, but, listen to this, do your own research, come up to your own conclusion, speak to your medical practitioner before doing this, but based on Morley's work, his insights, his research, let's now tackle the 14 things that everyone should really stop doing.

Today. And so for the first one, this is going to come as a big surprise. We're all going to come as surprises, but for the first one, you're saying stop taking iron supplements, iron fortified foods, anything with added iron. So Morley, again, that could be a whole episode in and of itself, big picture wise, what's going on with iron supplements, fortified foods, anything added with iron, what's going on there.

Morley Robbins: Well, the illusion was started in around the time of the First World War and they based a study on pregnant women to create this context for anemia. And what's important to understand is that. At any one time, 1 percent of society is pregnant. The other 99 [00:15:00] percent are not. That's an important fact to understand.

And, When a woman is pregnant, there's something called hemodilution. technical term for the fact that the blood, the fluid rises in a pregnant woman's body. She's supporting the growing baby, of course. And the the number of red blood cells, the amount of hemoglobin is gonna be divided over a bigger amount of fluid.

And so then it appears as though the number of red blood cells or the hemoglobin is going down and. It's well known in birthing circles that this happens, but it's been turned into a disease. And they use that event, that natural biological event, back in the 20s, 1920s, and now use it as a source of terrorism in the modern era, and have people believing that we're anemic, and we're copper toxic, and that mantra [00:16:00] plays.

Very in a very sophisticated way through a lot of conversations, internet articles, research studies, what have you. Currently, as of 2014, the World Health Organization would have us believe that 30 percent of the Earth's population is anemic. And just the word, anemic. You're defective.

it's a very powerful word, anemic. And what it really technically means is you're not making enough red bucks. That's really what it means. again it's been turned into this toxic label. And now when it really changed, so we had the First World War was to define the problem.

The Second World War, 1941, was when the UK, and the U. S. started to add iron filings To the food system, in the wheat farm, it's documented, very important book for people to read to verify all of this is called Iron, the Most [00:17:00] Toxic Metal by Jim Moon, it's J Y M, Moon. He was an iron toxicologist in Canada, don't you know, and very highly regarded.

And he wrote that book, I think in 2008, to set the record straight. I've read the book four times, and I get something new every time I read it. And so, we don't know that this has been playing in the background for now 80 years, over 80 years. In 1969, here in the States, the FDA wanted to increase the amount of iron being added to the food system 300%, a three fold increase. And 20 some scientists from around the world flew to Washington to testify, and they asked one question, are you trying to do, kill people? And so in a magnanimous gesture, the FDA only increased the amount of iron. Here in the States, I don't know whether UK or Canada was involved, but here in the States, it was increased 50%.

And what's also important to know is that there's [00:18:00] nine different forms of iron being added to the U. S. food system, nine different forms. All nine have been proven to cause cancer, so it's important to know that we have a very. Different diet than our ancestors. When I was born in 1952, spinach had copper in it.

That's why Popeye was able to flex his muscles with such vigor. Today, spinach has iron in it. They have modified food to support this narrative. And so, this has been gradually taking place over the last century, to the point of absurdity. But the real, The critical point, just to drive this home, is that if you read the literature, it'll say that we need about 25 milligrams of iron a day. Well, you gotta read the fine print. Turns out, we need to replace 200 [00:19:00] billion red blood cells in our body. It's a big number. It's 11 zeros. Don't we all wish we had that many zeros in our bank account?

Jeffrey Feldberg: That's a whole other story.

Morley Robbins: Right, another story. But 200 billion red blood cells in 24 hours, every 24 hours, we've got to turn that over.

Well, that's two and a half million per second. Two and a half million red blood cells need to be broken down in our spleen, over here on the left side, and two and a half million red blood cells need to be replaced in our bone marrow, long bones, femur, hips, pelvic region. That's for 47 percent of our copper. Resides in our long bones. It's a really important piece of information 

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so Morley, as we're talking about this iron. And how as a society, we've changed over time, not for the better. I'd imagine that our grandparents, our great grandparents, they were more physical than we were. They were walking more. They weren't driving as much.

They didn't have some of the quote unquote modern comforts. So their whole physical regime was better than ours. It was different. [00:20:00] And at the same time, in our first episode, you can correct me if I'm off base, if memory serves, you said That we can literally rust from the inside out if we have too much iron.

If you leave iron exposed to the air, to the outside, if we just take some iron, leave it outside, come back a short while later, it's rusting. And that is no different in the human body. So from the outside looking in, we could look fit, but we may not be healthy. And so my takeaway from all this, if we have too much iron in the body, we're rusting from the inside out.

It's taking away, it's robbing us from that copper that we need to energize ourselves and to function at our healthiest, most vibrant level. How am I doing with that?

Morley Robbins: very well said. technical term for the rust in our body is called reactive oxygen species. That's a very complicated way of saying rust, but that's the basis of all disease, all conditions, and that's the work of Denim Harmon, [00:21:00] Who was a PhD industrial engineer who became a physician, went to Stanford, he's not your average chimp, and became a medical doctor.

And in 1956, he published the Free Radical Theory of Aging, Radicals, Reactive Oxygen Species, same thing, the Free Radical Theory of Aging, and when he was 90 in 2006, he updated his theories. And it's the most accepted explanation for why we age. And the bottom line, because I know you love bottom lines, the bottom line is that iron accumulation is aging. As we get older, we're accumulating more iron.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Morley, would I be safe to say that higher in accumulation, it's premature death? Is that what we're bringing upon ourselves, that we're aging faster? And correct me if I'm off base, If I'm a male, if I'm a female, who's now in menopause, I have a more likelihood of having too much [00:22:00] iron in my body than a female who's having her monthly cycle.

And in this way, she's expelling the blood and don't have to go into that. But so a regular female who has her monthly cycle, that's one way of dealing with some of the iron, but what you're saying for everyone across the board here, stop taking iron supplements. Don't eat food with fortified Iron supplements in it.

And I suspect you're going to say that leave the bodies to its own devices. When it has enough copper, it will level out where the iron should be, where it shouldn't be on its own, because it has that natural intelligence. How am I doing with that?

Morley Robbins: Absolutely. And the key is you want your iron to be in circulation. You do not want your iron to be in storage. The contemporary view is, let's see how high we can get your ferritin. That's not a good idea. That's a storage protein. Just to finish out my earlier point, the 25 milligrams to support the daily turnover of red blood cells, 95 percent of that, 24 of those 25 [00:23:00] milligrams comes from a recycling system run by copper ding, ding, ding.

We only need one milligram of iron a day. And so when we say stop taking iron. We mean it because we know how the body works and it doesn't have the sensational need for iron. Iron is a very important part of our body, there's no question about that, but we don't need to be taking bucketfuls of it every day.

That's where we get into trouble and we accelerate the aging process that you're alluding to. Not

Jeffrey Feldberg: And more than it's somewhat of a rabbit hole. And we've been spending a lot of time on iron. We do need to move on because we have the. 13 other areas to cover. Let me ask you this. So I know a short while back I called you up and I said, Morley, one of the family members, the doctor said, the family member doesn't have enough iron and you ask all kinds of questions and ultimately my takeaway was probably the Type of iron being measured wasn't the correct type.

It wasn't the correct blood test. And the doctor didn't mean to be [00:24:00] malicious, was simply doing what the doctor was told to do or what the doctor was educated upon, but it really wasn't the right approach. And so the takeaway for the listener, even if your doctor is saying that you're low in iron, perhaps you can get a second opinion.

Go to a functional medicine doctor, call up Morley, speak to another health practitioner Who is in the know with this to help you through this. So not to be scared that the doctor is saying, Hey, Jeffrey, you don't have enough iron, probably not the case. The wrong test is being used or the wrong level is being read.

Would that be correct, Marlon?

Morley Robbins: for people to ask if they've been told you're anemic. Doctor, which iron marker are you looking at? That's important to know. Second, what's my copper status, doctor? And they'll be stopped in their tracks because at that point, they'll realize, more physiology than they do.

Jeffrey Feldberg: In all fairness to doctors, this is not to throw them under the bus. It's simply, they can only do what they've been taught and they don't spend a lot of time on some of these things.

Morley Robbins: That, let me just build on that. People push back on that issue all the [00:25:00] time and I respect that. They do what they've been trained to do. I was trained to, I went to business school, Jeffrey, just as I'm sure you did. Well, maybe you did, I don't know, I don't know what the sources,

Jeffrey Feldberg: did for better, for worse, sometimes for worse, I 

Morley Robbins: right? No, that's fine. So I went to business school but the philosophy of business school is very clear. What gets measured, gets managed. And the reason why I've become this passionate zealot about this issue is I couldn't stand. The superficial nature of the information people are being given about their health status.

And I, again, what gets measured, gets managed. People need to know what's going on. And in the same way that I wasn't trained to be a phlebotomist or a doctor, I'm not trying to be a doctor. I'm just trying to identify what are the variables that you need to know in order to manage your health and wellbeing.

And I challenge doctors. To dig deeper, go beyond your training [00:26:00] so that you can explain this to your clients and your patients, because they need to know, they need to understand what's really going on. I just think we need to get to a deeper level of understanding.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Fair enough. And so the takeaway for the Deep Wealth Nation is let the copper do the management of the iron for you. Your body has an inner intelligence. It knows what to do. It knows how to heal itself. Don't overcomplicate the situation. Good intentions gone not so well when you're taking iron supplements, when you're going out of your way to have food that are fortified with iron.

So anything added with iron, any iron supplements stay away from. Now, Morley, stop number two, and I know we've been warming up here and we're going through what not to do, and we'll get through the list quicker for our listeners, this next one though, This is a, hey, don't pass go, don't collect your 200.

This is stop, stay in the collective jail. And when the listener hears what not to take, they're going to be floored on this one because everywhere you go, it's in the media, it's in the [00:27:00] doctor's office. It's with all the different doctors that you're speaking with. And so morally, you're really on your own out there saying, Hey, everyone, stop taking vitamin D3 supplements or any food fortified with vitamin D.

And for listeners. You heard that right. Morley is saying, do not take vitamin D supplements. So Morley, everywhere we go, we're hearing about vitamin D and how it really boosts the immune system and how it's a superpower when it comes to vitamins and how it can help us. And here you're saying, Hey, don't even go there.

It's going to take away from your copper. It's not healthy for you. What's going on with that?

Morley Robbins: September 24th, 1955, President Eisenhower had a heart attack and then humanity got hijacked for 65 years that cholesterol caused heart disease. 65 years. So, a good question to ask is, how is it the nation, referring to the United States, How is it that the nation with the highest cholesterol has the lowest vitamin D you make [00:28:00] vitamin D by converting cholesterol into vitamin D?

That's a really good thing to know. There's a complete disconnect about what's really going on. And so low vitamin D has become a mantra for every practitioner. Your vitamin D is low. What people don't know is that they changed the reference range. First of all, back in the 80s, up until the 80s, the reference, what was considered healthy vitamin D was in the teens and the 80s.

Now, the range starts at 30 and goes up to 100. It's all manipulation, folks. Wake up. And the research is based on correlation, not causation. Do flies cause garbage? Do firemen cause fires? No, but they're correlated, right? Yeah, the flies seem be there with the garbage. The firemen seem to always show up with the fires.

And low vitamin D shows up when someone has inflammation. Why? Why? It's a really important question because iron is building in the tissue, driving magnesium [00:29:00] out of the liver especially. Where is vitamin D made in our body? cholesterol becomes. The storage form of vitamin D is in our liver.

And it's a magnesium dependent enzyme. And if there's too much iron, back to Jeffrey's point about rusting from the inside, we're losing magnesium. That's one of the first minerals to go to stress. The vitamin D is low, not be, and the inflammation is not because the vitamin D is low, it's just a marker.

It's a billboard saying, oh, you've got iron accumulation. That's really what it's telling us. And so there's an entire masterclass in the Root Cause Protocol directory website. You can get that masterclass. And it's two hours of penetrating information about, here's the rest of the story about vitamin D, as Paul Harvey used to say, now you know the rest of the story.

There's aspects to vitamin D that you've never heard about, that it causes [00:30:00] renal potassium wasting that it drives iron deeper into the tissue, that it blocks copper metabolism. There's so many nuances to this that people have never heard. We have a broader understanding of the problem and are really trying to help people to that.

The most important piece, Jeffrey, is taking vitamin D supplements blocks vitamin A uptake and vitamin A, retinol, In a low fat diet, it doesn't exist, but retinol the most important nutrients in our diet, because it's what makes copper usable, buy available, and so helpful in the body.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And again, for our listeners, everything we're saying not to do, it's so that you can start optimizing levels of copper. And so Morley, for the listener who's heard you say, okay, stop taking vitamin D, again, not to confuse simple with simplicity, or perhaps the term as you're saying the simplexity of it, what's the [00:31:00] quick narrative of why vitamin D and vitamin D being this mantra out there by all the health professionals, why we're looking at the wrong areas or doing the wrong things with vitamin D and why we should stop taking it.

Morley Robbins: Well, it's very simple. I think we've been hijacked, just like we were hijacked, in the fifties around cholesterol. I think we've been hijacked around vitamin D. We don't have a broad enough understanding about how these lipid vitamins work like A, D, E, and K. They're very important. And what they've done is they've taken D and they've put it up on a vaulted level that it doesn't deserve that.

And Mark Twain said it best, when you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to switch sides. And so, I think it's important to say, could there be more to the story? And especially in the post 2020 era, we know there was a lot of finagling going on. Let's just leave it at that. And so, we just encourage people [00:32:00] to step back from that narrative, because it is a narrative, and If you really want to, do your body a favor, take cod lip oil like your ancestors did.

And there is vitamin D in there. We're not saying don't ever take vitamin D. Don't take the supplemental form. It's not what you think it is.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Exactly. And Morley, I had the same reaction I'm sure our listeners are having right now when they heard this. And a little bit of a spoiler that we will talk about this in the next episode, where you're back and you're talking about what to do. But for listeners who don't want to wait, and I started doing this right away.

Hey, Jeffrey, Stop taking the vitamin D and I was taking vitamin D and I think it was K2 or K3, stop taking that supplement, replace it with cod liver oil. You're getting it the way nature intended. Your body will absorb that better. And by the way, even when you're looking at your vitamin D levels, Jeffrey, all the tests that you're getting, you're really looking at it from the wrong lens.

And that's just the way it's been done over the past while. It doesn't mean that it's right. So for the listener, again, for listening. [00:33:00] Stop taking vitamin D3 supplements or any foods fortified with vitamin D. stop taking iron supplements or foods fortified with iron. Morley, before we go on to number three, what's interesting about this, as we're saying foods fortified with, a lot of this is with children's food and I'm thinking, oh my goodness, what are we doing to the kids?

Hey, we're not supposed to do this as adults. Children are even more susceptible as their bodies develop. It grows. They're more susceptible to what they're going to be taking in. Not a good narrative here. What would you say to that?

Morley Robbins: it's very true. I mean, the distortions of what's natural, what would be a healthy diet for a child has been blown out of the water. I came across a very important research study recently from 1924. It was a group of scientists that were studying iron accumulation in the brain in 1924. When they first talked about iron accumulation in the 1880s, I want you to know there were some very sophisticated people back then, and they reason why I bring it up is that they document the fact that children [00:34:00] are born with no iron in their brain, zero iron.

Doesn't start to accumulate in the brain to use six to nine months old. There's no iron in mother's breast milk. Ding ding, ding. Why do I bring that up? Because the infant formula is fortified with iron and vitamin D, and there's no cholesterol. Guess what mother's milk has? Lots of cholesterol. do you think Mother Nature got that wrong?

Do you think that Nestle has that right? And so I think people have got to step back from this kind of this programmed half asleep world that we live in and say, wait a minute maybe there is more to the story. And so, especially for our children, we've got to really take the stance that I need to really rethink this serious way.

Jeffrey Feldberg: If we look to nature and nature is always right. The fact that I never thought about that way, Morley, but breast milk doesn't [00:35:00] have iron in it that says everything because breast milk has everything that an infant needs to grow up, to be healthy and to get to the next level in a vibrant health kind of way.

Okay. So here we are, we're talking about steps one and two of what to stop doing. If we didn't lose the listeners on steps one and two, we're probably going to lose them on step three of what to stop taking and step three, what you should Stop taking our calcium supplements. And Morley, for any few stragglers that we had that were listening in, they're probably all gone now.

This is probably a conversation just between the two of us. Be that as it may, stop taking calcium supplements. Why? We hear how calcium is so good for us. How we lose calcium as we get older, how it fortifies our bones, how we can prevent a broken hip or bones as we get into the elder years and save a trip to the hospital that can ultimately be the demise of us, but here we're being told Do not take calcium supplements.

What's going on here?

Morley Robbins: Well, we've been told it's a fairy tale. And so let's talk about osteoporosis. As we get older, we lose calcium, right? [00:36:00] It's important to know why that happens. Well, there's an enzyme. I'm a student of the enzymes. Thank God younger son, Tom, said, Dad, I think you need to learn about enzymes and gave me a textbook on enzymes.

Very, Very grateful for that. And so acid phosphatase, any word that ends in A S E is an enzyme. And so acid phosphatase cleaves out calcium from the bone matrix. What is its catalyst? Iron. ouch. So you mean that iron accumulation that's building in my body as I get older is activating the very enzyme that's breaking down my bone.

That's exactly what I'm telling you. It's in the literature, folks. I didn't make this stuff up. And so what is its opposite? It's an enzyme called alkaline. So we got acid. Alkaline is the opposite. Alkaline phosphatase. Who's the catalyst? Magnesium ding. What are we losing as we age? Our minerals, right?

Especially magnesium, isn't it interesting that iron is the one that [00:37:00] stays with us and everything else seems to be always challenged. But the important point is that magnesium is critical for making alkaline phosphatase, which restores calcium in the bone matrix. But there's two more enzymes that are vitally important. something called ascorbate oxidase. Oxidase is an enzyme that works with oxygen. It's a really big deal, especially on a planet with lots of oxygen, but ascorbate oxidase Copper dependent enzyme prevents mineral loss, in large part because it binds up fluoride. It's a really powerful enzyme if it can bind up fluoride and prevent the erosion of those.

There's probably about a dozen minerals involved in making proper bone matrix, and ascorbate oxidase is a source of integrity for all retaining those minerals. And then the final enzyme is called Lysil. L Y S Y L means they're working with lysine, [00:38:00] lysyl oxidase, and so in order to build bone, we've got to have collagen strength and elastin flexibility, and we need to knit those two properties together to make bone strong and flexible.

The bones that we remember from high school in our biology class, where they're really hard and stiff, that's not the bones inside our body. Our body, they actually bend. They have flexibility, and as they become more brittle as we get older, it's because they don't have the flexibility being knit into the collagen.

And so the idea that taking calcium is going to make those four enzymes work better, it's not true. You don't just throw calcium, or throw vitamin D, or throw medications, osteoporosis meds, they're not going to correct those enzyme functions. And so, [00:39:00] what we've done is we've labored to understand where is the breakdown in physiology.

Where is the true origin? What's the root cause of the problem? And that's really what we pride ourselves on, is understanding how does this problem really exist, and what do we really need to do in order to correct

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay. So for our listeners who are picking themselves up the floor, as they hear us talking about not taking the supplement called calcium, what they should be hearing you say morally is if you're taking calcium as a supplement, it's actually counterintuitive. You're harming yourself as opposed to really nurturing yourself, getting to that vibrant point.

Because again, going back to our thesis here, it's not a thesis. It's all the research. It's the actual evidence. All these things that we're saying not to do, if you do them, it's taking away from the copper regulating our body. And part of that regulation of the body is ensuring that we have healthy bones, strong bones, regenerative bones, and as [00:40:00] counterintuitive as it seems, taking the calcium supplement actually hurts us.

And so with that said, We have another showstopper here. Again, this is going against common wisdom, which is not so wise. For the fourth stop, you're saying, stop taking zinc supplements. And time again, if we look back to even COVID or someone has a flu, a cold, you even hear the latest health guru saying, Oh, Jeffrey, you need to be taking some more of this, some more of that, the vitamin D, The Zinc.

So what's going on with Zinc? Why should we stop taking Zinc when everything that we've heard tells us that Zinc, again, is another wonder child when it comes to supplements to help our overall health.

Morley Robbins: it? Zinc is in our food. It's really found in meats. All sorts of nuts. There's all sorts of sources for zinc. Oyster is a great source of zinc and copper. What we're really challenging people is to stop taking supplemental forms of these nutrients. And [00:41:00] zinc has a really bad rap sheet. When you really get into the details of how it works it is, has known properties of blocking copper uptake, That is an established fact it stimulates a protein called metallothionein, very powerful protein in the body, that binds up copper, that's a known fact zinc is known to stop one of the most important copper enzymes called cytochrome C oxidase, that's in our mitochondria and turns oxygen into water to release energy.

Zinc will stop that enzyme. And another showstopper is zinc stops. Another key copper enzyme called ferrooxidase, and that's the enzyme that turns ferrous iron into ferric iron so it can be used properly in the body. So these are nitty gritty details that people don't know about. You know what they've been told to do, but there's rich research [00:42:00] and a lot of information about there's a backside to this.

And zinc is very much implicated in neurodegeneration because of what it does to block copper. And I'm sure there are people out there who say, oh no, I thought copper was the problem. Well, the more refined research is pointing the finger at zinc and iron now, not at copper. And aluminum is another factor as well.

It's a bad guy. And so, we're challenging people to do is understand. Anyone can know, right? Anyone can know. What we want you to do is understand how the body makes energy, how the body brings resilience, how the body responds to stress. And act on that deep legacy of research and push the narrative to the side, because it's based on research that isn't complete.

We'll just leave it at that.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay. Fair enough. So again, as our listeners pick themselves up off the floor, [00:43:00] okay. Morley, Jeffrey. No iron supplements, no vitamin D3, no calcium, no zinc. But the common theme, Morley, what's coming out that's interesting here, we're talking about really, I'll call it the manufactured supplements. This is not from nature.

This is the manufactured supplements that we're talking about. And perhaps another way that we can look at this, if I were to take an apple and say, okay, I've deconstructed All the nutrients in the apple, and I've made them in the lab. Jeffrey, here you go, or you can have the apple. I would bet that the apple is going to be healthier than all the lab grown nutrients, and even if the nutrients are quote unquote natural, it's not in the apple, I suspect we still do not understand all the different components that are within foods, even though we say hey, Jeffrey, Marley, here's a supplement.

This will treat you just as well. How am I doing with that?

Morley Robbins: Very well said. I think what we're really drawing distinction between is biology. And chemistry. Chemistry is a little more synthetic, a little [00:44:00] more refined, and it's missing the spark of life. That's really what it comes down to. There

Jeffrey Feldberg: The biology, otherwise known as the lab grown supplements that we're taking, that's missing the spark of life. It's not natural per se. It's not from nature as it was intended to be. And speaking of supplements, now, this one is It's an interesting one because you're saying molybdenum, and I hope firstly I'm pronouncing that right.

For our listener, if I am pronouncing it right, what is molybdenum supplements? What's going on with that?

Morley Robbins: a couple molybdenum based, and we can call it molyb, it's a lot easier to say that but there's a couple of molybdenum based supplements. What people need to know is that molybdenum has a wicked relationship with copper. It'll bind it up. And there's something that happens in the spring in farming particularly with grazing animals, they get what's called staggers.

And the spring grass has [00:45:00] more molybdenum and sulphur in it. Well, those are two very tough elements for copper to work properly. And animals literally will stagger and fall over because they're losing their bioavailable copper. It's really. We're really trying to do, I think listener who's still hanging with us, the spotlight is what can we do to increase the bioavailability of copper because of its broad reach and importance in the body.

And we're doing it with absolute intent and precision to increase energy because once the body has energy, it knows exactly what to do. The idea that we need this micronutrient or that micronutrient, I think is presumptuous. What we need to do is focus on the minerals that are easily lost to stress. And those are far away, magnesium and copper and [00:46:00] the B vitamins.

Those are your nutrients that are typically lost to stress. And that's a real focal point of the protocol.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Interesting. And again, as you're going through this, and I'm going to stick with molyb, it's a heck of a lot easier to say, and I know I'm going to get it right. So stress and other kinds of things that are going on with daily life, even now, more so than perhaps in the past. But again, I'm going to go with a narrative.

Two things are coming out with a narrative. Stop these things because they're getting in the way of really maximizing the copper in our body. In fact, it's taking away from the copper in our body. And secondly, these are not meant to be replacements for what we can get with whole foods. And so if you're taking Molly B instead of whole foods, Stop doing that.

It's going to be hurting you. Supplements, if you can't get it in Whole Foods, there's very specific supplements that you should be taking. That's going to be all in our next episode, but this is all what we should not be doing. And so stop taking the Molly B supplements. And then again, I'm going to say this probably shouldn't be a surprise, but it is going to be a surprise because we've [00:47:00] just been knocking these off one after the other.

And morally, I'm now convinced this is just a conversation of two, you and me. We've lost everyone on here. And if we haven't lost anyone, that one or two stragglers, we're probably going to lose them on this one here. We're saying, Hey, stop taking the one at a multivitamins, the prenatals, et cetera. What's going on there?

Why not the one a day multivitamins? Why not the prenatals? They're really touted as the way to go for the busy person out there, particularly the entrepreneur. It has everything that you need. And here we're being told, Hey, don't do it.

Morley Robbins: Again, the quick response is, okay, so they were wrong about heart disease for 65 years. Well, when did they get it? When did, and again, I have a list of 36 things that they got wrong. What did they get right? most people don't take the time to catalog that. So the, issue is people believe that by taking a one a day, they have a life insurance policy.

I'm going to get to the day, everything's going to be fine. And what they don't realize is [00:48:00] that the one a day is actually a death warrant. 

Jeffrey Feldberg: Hold on while they stop it right there. One a day, the one a day vitamin is a death warrant. Did I hear that right?

Morley Robbins: You heard that right. So the thing is, all the ratios are wrong. See, the ratios are very important that one of my mentors was an OBGYN at UCLA, and the mantra, the known ratio of calcium to magnesium is two to one. We know that, right? Except in the research world, where they flipped it. And when they Made it two parts magnesium to one part calcium, symptoms started to fall away.

That's what Dr. Guy Abraham discovered in this practice. The nutrients in these, one of these, are all synthetic. The B vitamins are made from coal tar, folks. You don't want to know what coal tar is made of. And so, they are not this savior that people have been led to believe. And so we've just, what we're really zeroing in on, putting the spotlight on, is what are the critical nutrients we [00:49:00] need in order to fire up our mitochondrial engines and get rid of all of the static that we've been taking for years and years in our regular diet.

And supplement routine.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay. So there you have it. And as we're going through this, lots of trends that are coming up here. And so really, Molly, there is a time and place for vitamins, and that's going to be all in the next episode of what to do, but really the one a day and between the two of us, and again, it really probably is the two of us now in this conversation.

I know the one a day vitamins. I know my own mantra has been, Hey, Jeffrey, don't get vitamins that have lots of things in them because you have no idea about what's gone into the efficacy of each ingredient and where possible. The fewer ingredients, the better, single source. And with the multivitamins, so many things going on there.

And I would love to hear if this is on base, off base, there's been studies out there for these many popular multivitamins. I'm not going to name the names that a lot of them, really, it just goes [00:50:00] literally down the toilet and not really doing a whole lot of good.

Morley Robbins: It's called expensive urine. And

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay.

Morley Robbins: there's some element of truth. I don't know if it's as far flung as they want us to believe it is, but I think we're sending a lot of confusing signals to the body by taking those and to really work through how did they come to those ratios, to those elements?

why is Tremendous focus on iron fortification and there's nothing about copper. Why is there a focus on calcium fortification, nothing about magnesium? Why don't we talk about the importance of retinol? Why is it always vitamin D? And what people need to know is that there is a yin yang in these nutrients.

These are teams that work together. And what we're getting is a of one side of the equation at the expense of the other side, and people aren't aware of that.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Fair enough. And continuing with this, I'm going to group these next items that are on the [00:51:00] stop list together, because there's some similarities here and some of this is going to be. Not only in the vitamins that we've been speaking about, but also into certain ingredients that are found in the food. For stop number eight, stop using synthetic forms of ascorbate or ascorbic acid and citric acid.

Stop using high fructose corn syrup, HFCS and artificial sweeteners, and stop using industrial omega 6 oils. These are the seed oils, soybean oil, canola oil, et cetera. And then one more before we pause and we'll go on to the next set right after this, stop using fluoride. So we're talking about synthetic forms of vitamin C, the high fructose corn syrup, the synthetic omega 6 fluoride.

What's going on with all of that big picture wise.

Morley Robbins: we're biting off a big one, but the ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. The whole food vitamin C molecule has many moving parts, and [00:52:00] there's an engine There's an enzyme at the very center of it called tyrosinase very important enzyme. And there's all sorts of bioflavonoids and other components.

But the outer shell of the vitamin C molecule is ascorbic acid. As a intact entity, it's a very powerful molecule and very effective. What people don't know is that the tyrosinase enzyme has copper in it. One of the important enzymes on planet earth. What people don't know is that one of the most frequently used chemicals in food processing are tyrosinase inhibitors.

Well, that's important to know. Why is tyrosinase so important? Because it's what allows the body to color itself. It's not just our hair color, eye color, skin color, it's the color of our organs. They need to be colored in order to have integrity, have the right frequency, have the right energy. so, ascorbic acid, it's [00:53:00] most powerful property is it blocks the uptake of copper absorption, and it blows up the copper protein, so we'll know plasma.

That's a bozo. No, No. It's a very negative event. The high fructose corn syrup and the uh, the seed oils, these are very toxic elements that are pervasive in our food system. People don't realize how much sugar is in our diet. And it's not, refined forms of natural sugars. not dealing with sugar cane.

We're dealing with very Chemicalized synthetic forms of sugars called high fructose corn syrup made from GMO corn that's mixed with sulfuric acid. If you really knew how it's made, run the other way. our ancestors have got to be turning over in their grave because the animal fats are violently different than the vegetable fats. And the saturation is so important for [00:54:00] our body, for our chemistry and biochemistry of our body. And the seed oils are very problematic. There's a lot of canola grown in Canada, last time I checked. And I think it stands for Canadian oil, canola. And for those brave few, take a bucket of rapeseed, and Which is what becomes canola oil.

Take a bucket of rapeseed, put it in your backyard and see what happens.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Not only that, Morley, not only that, sure, you can do it in the backyard, but before canola oil was called canola oil and was put out for consumption, it was used to clean industrial machines. What does that tell you? What are we doing to our bodies? And I suspect that whatever it may be, 20 years from now, 50 years from now, a hundred years from now, when we look back, hopefully we're going to be shaking our heads and saying, what were we thinking?

What were we doing? These seed oils are just an uptick in [00:55:00] people's health going off the rails, not in a good way. Earlier at the start of this conversation, we were saying that the study went Eight out of ten Americans having some kind of metabolic disease to now it's nearly ten out of ten and seed oils, I suspect, are high on the list for some of the causes, not the correlation, some of the causes for this.

Morley Robbins: And the element that people are most concerned about with seed loss are called polyunsaturated fatty acids, PUFAs, I'm sure you've heard that term. What's very important to know is that PUFAs are like a can of gas, and I'm sure there's been a time when you've carried a can of gas and you didn't worry about it blowing up, right, and you carried it, you didn't smoke a cigarette, you didn't drop a match in it, but you knew it was safe to carry.

The research is very clear from 2012, iron is the match to turn PUFAs into the problem that they are. And so again, we're back full circle saying, don't take iron supplements. Because they're going [00:56:00] to add insult to injury with these seed oils that people aren't fully aware of that are in their diet, especially if they're eating processed food on any kind of regular basis.

So I think we've covered all the bases. I think I may have missed one.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Well, and we'll get there. It's a full ride. And before we end off on the seed oils and go into the forehead briefly, and then we'll go to the last three items here, what we should stop doing, what's interesting or limit for the last one, what we should be doing, but what's interesting here with the seed oils.

And for the listener, I want you to think about this when you're a restaurant and we're eating out more than ever before, when you're a restaurant, You're in business to be in business. You're not a charity and anything that you can do to lower your cost, make it easier and quicker to get the meals out.

It doesn't matter if it's a high end restaurant or a fast food restaurant, you can buy the seed oils, the soybean oil, the canola oil so much more quicker, inexpensively than let's say [00:57:00] beef tallow. Or LARD, or the things our great grandparents would use. It's so much healthier, but it's more expensive. And now, these big multinational food companies have done a terrific education campaign.

When we think of beef tallow or LARD, we're like, Oh, that's. That's disgusting. Why would I ever want to eat that? And we've been trained to eat these other highly profitable manufactured quote unquote foods that are causing all kinds of damages. And to round things out, the, one of the stop was stop using fluoride and toothpaste, water, et cetera.

And some people out there are saying, wait a minute, fluoride? My dentist told me it's good for me. It keeps my teeth healthy. Teeth strong and prevents cavities. So what's going on with the fluoride Morley?

Morley Robbins: If you want to get the full story on fluoride, get Dean Murphy, DDS, he's a dentist, lives down in the states in the Chicago area. He wrote a book, Fluoride, The Devil's Poison, and you need to read that book to really understand what fluoride is all about. It is the [00:58:00] most reactive element on planet Earth.

What does that mean? It loves to steal electrons. Electrons are very important in our body's chemistry, but fluoride as a dental agent is based on a very long and deceptive campaign that started back in the 1950s. And the crux of it is it's based on munitions workers who are exposed to fluoride and the journal article in the American Dental Association.

1954 said munitions workers have no cavities. That's what they said. And that was 1954, 50 years later, Freedom of Information Act was invoked, and they got the notes to that article, and this is what the notes actually said. Munition workers have no cavities. No teeth.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Oh,

Morley Robbins: There's a

Jeffrey Feldberg: about a deep fake. Talk about a deep, fake. thick, and so people are [00:59:00] like, oh, they wouldn't have done that. Well, go back to 2020 and ask yourself, would they have done that? Of course they would have done that. And so it's, hard to think, well, I'm too smart for that. They wouldn't, they couldn't have pulled the wool over my eyes. And they've been doing it for a hundred years, folks. I gotta tell you, I didn't believe it at first.

Morley Robbins: I didn't believe it at first. But 15 years in, 10, 000 studies later it's amazing what we thought we knew and what the truth really is. 

Jeffrey Feldberg: And when it comes to fluoride, I don't know if this is an urban myth or not. And you can tell me if or don't know. I had heard that fluoride is so toxic that once upon a time, they were looking at creative ways for very inexpensive or even free ways to dispose of the fluoride from the industrial process.

And some, and I use this in quotes, some genius person said, hey, why don't we give it to the people? They can have it in the water. We can put it in the toothpaste. And this way we can even be paid for something that we'd be paying to have it taken away, [01:00:00] but it's too toxic. So this way we can just deal with that.

Is that an urban myth? Is there truth to that?

Morley Robbins: I think there's a lot of truth to that. And again, it stems from that article from 1954, but we don't have a chance to really do it justice, but there's another head fake you just need to know that there's more to the story.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so the article, from what I'm understanding you say, was the people didn't have any teeth. So if they didn't have any teeth, of course, they couldn't have any cavities. Wow. What a stretch they did, but the public bought it.

Morley Robbins: But Dean Murphy's book is a very powerful book. It'll explain the facts. And make sure you have your feet in a magnesium bath, because your toes are going to curl when you realize what actually happened.

Jeffrey Feldberg: okay. And you know what? We will put that book in the show notes as well. Okay. Bye bye. Stop using colloidal silver as an antibiotic and stop eating low fat, high carb, processed, refined foods. So for starters, for stop number 12, colloidal silver, I'm sure many of our listeners, whoever's left, if any colloidal silver, what the heck is [01:01:00] that, Morley?

Morley Robbins: it's a wonderful antibiotic. It's been used for decades, but it's really designed for people with arthritis. No copper, or low copper, and silver is an antibiotic, copper is the original antimicron. People don't realize that the existence of copper goes back to the beginning of time on this planet.

And it has a very powerful effect on bacteria, fungus, virus, and parasites. It will knock them out. Absolutely neutralizes these pathogens that are the scourge of society and animal husbandry. And so the thing is, and then produce farming as well. So again, people don't realize. what lengths they've gone to, pull copper out of our environment, pull it out of our soil, pull it out of our food, pull it out of our tissue.

And again, this is new information for many of you. [01:02:00] Silver is one of its properties. It will disrupt Koppel metabolism. It disrupts the enzyme in the mitochondria that I've referred to before, cytochrome C oxidase. Well, I have a problem with that. And I realize that people, when they get into a pinch, they don't want to take an antibiotic.

I respect that. Hey, Koppler, it's the original antibiotic. Turns out, truth be known, the true antibiotic in our body is called our spleen. It's right over here on the left side of your rib cage, hiding between ribs 9 to 11, and nobody knows that. This Deception goes back to the 1840s. And so, long story short we need to streamline what comes into our body in the way of healthy, natural, organic food.

But we need to be very precise about the supplements that we're using to support our energy production and our optimal functioning as humans. And

Jeffrey Feldberg: [01:03:00] say for nature's quote unquote antibiotic, colloidal silver was pointed to as the way to go, but you're saying, hey, there are ways that you don't necessarily have to take antibiotics. Of course, check with your doctor or medical practitioner. There are natural things that you can do, but the big one, if you're going the route of colloidal silver, again, it's going to disrupt the copper, it's going to take away from our body having the optimal levels of copper, and it has the potential to do more harm than good. 

Morley Robbins: again, folks, try trading places with me. Can you imagine the heat that I've experienced over the last 15 years? And I'm still standing. I have a very large internet following. I have students taking my training. This is a real test of integrity. I made a pledge many years ago, almost 40 years ago now, that I would commit myself to integrity.

I'm not perfect. I've made mistakes. I don't walk on water. I do wear waterproof shoes, but I don't walk on water. And I'm here to And having this kind of a passionate [01:04:00] conversation with Jeffrey, because I believe in the importance of more people knowing about these truths. That's what this is about.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And fair enough, you take a lot of heat for this, but you're still here. You're doing this day in, day out, year in, year out. And again, you're coming from the point of truth. They're coming from really looking underneath the research, beyond the headlines of what's really happening, not what's convenient, but what's right.

And there's a lot to be said for that. And as we round things out here with the 13th thing to stop, Eating low fat, high carb, processed, refined foods. And I suppose, morally, we could simply say even processed, refined foods there in and of itself, but big picture wise, low fat, high carb, processed, refined foods, what would you say to that?

Morley Robbins: Well, again, what we really promote in the RCP is an ancestral diet. If you really want to understand the ancestral diet, follow the research of Weston A. Price. He was an American dentist, was down in Cleveland back at the turn of the [01:05:00] century. And what a lot of people don't know is that he did a root canal on his nine year old son and he died. And it was a shock, of course. And he and his wife pledged themselves to find out what do we need to eat so that we never have to have a root canal again. And traveled the globe for 10 years. Looking for people with perfect teeth, and they identified 14 communities around the world, Inuit Indians, Maasai tribesmen, there were Swiss goat herders, there was an amazing cross section of humanity in the 1920s before the onslaught of Western colonization. 

And the pictures in his book are amazing, these beautiful arches and big bold teeth and gorgeous smiles of these ancestral artifacts, if you will. But the thing is, His going in proposition that these people would [01:06:00] all be vegetarian and they would be eating a low fat diet. And to his credit, was a consummate scientist. He documented the fact that up to 65 percent of their calories came from fat, and all communities that had perfect teeth had animal protein, from ants in Africa to whale blubber in Alaska. And so he was able to document this and prove. The importance of a high fat, animal origin, low carb diet, and the Weston A.

Price Foundation that that Sally Fallon started many years ago, I think 27 years ago now based out of Washington, D. C. It's a real testament of his research, and it's proven itself over time with its growing community of followers. So, I think we need to really Challenge the so called food pyramid that got us disoriented and turned upside down, and go back to the basics that [01:07:00] Dr.

Price and his wife found a century ago in their pioneering research.

Jeffrey Feldberg: In the show notes, we'll have a link to the Wesson A. Price Foundation, but what's interesting to your point, Marlee, when he went to these different, some of them were tribes or in remote areas from the Western or the outside looking in, we're thinking, okay, we're more sophisticated.

Our society, we're smarter, we're better. We have all these modern conveniences. Yet these people who didn't have any of that were actually healthier than us. They were not getting sick. They didn't have all these diseases. There's a lot to be said for that. And then to round things out, as we get to number 14, not to stop, but to limit.

This is the exposure to environmental toxins, such as unchecked blue light, EMFs from electronic devices. So big picture wise, Morley, as we round it out here, and we're going to start to wrap things up, what's going on with the environmental toxins that you want us to know about?

Morley Robbins: we're bombarded. I think we all know that blue light that runs these tablets and [01:08:00] computers and phones and what have you again, the water, we talked about fluoride it's very important to have filtered water that's been mineralized it all adds up. There's been this very, A significant assault on our being.

Again, a lot of this has happened over the last century. It's hard to imagine that. It's like they're boiling a frog one degree at a time, one year at a time. And so, it's important to realize that we can take action to limit this. I encourage people when I'm working with clients, I make sure that they turn off their devices at least one hour before they plan to go to bed, preferably two hours before you read, calm down your sympathetic nervous system to get ready to get a good night's sleep.

Be mindful of the exposure that we have to the lighting in our environment. The LED that dominates our internal. [01:09:00] Lighting, and now our automobile lighting that toxic lights, the headlights that are showing now, those are really hard on their eyes. I don't know whether you all know that.

It's a real it's a pathogenic form of light. And so we don't realize that on every front, we don't realize that on every front. We're being challenged, we're being stressed, and all we're trying to do is minimize that stress to optimize your energy production, optimize your resilience to respond to the daily assault of stress.

That's really what it comes down to.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And easier said than done today in terms of what perhaps is outside of our home. We have all these cell towers, we have the neighbor's wifi signals bombarding us. But what I'm hearing you say, Morley, the best that we can, perhaps it's blue blocking glasses, dimming the lights when it's at nighttime, not having the bright white lights, anything that we can to protect and minimize the negative effects of the environment around us.

Morley Robbins: It's so important. I think what we're really trying to do is give people very [01:10:00] tangible steps that they can take to take back control of their environment by limiting these components of our supplement routine that we've all exercised, myself included, for many, many years. I'm embarrassed by how much zinc I used to take.

I'm embarrassed by, I used to take a supplement of one a day with iron. I mean, we've all made these mistakes. I'm embarrassed. All I'm trying to do is set the record straight but give people the tangible steps they can take to take control because that's really what we're most stressed about is we're losing control of our environment.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Absolutely. And it's not easy to do. As an example, last night, there was a family lunch and it was at a Latin American restaurant and Morley, you could be sure it was seed oils galore. They weren't going the ancestral route with what likely would have been lard or some kind of beef tallow. And it's okay if my body, this is all I've got to get me through from here on my journey all the way through.

Let me be vigilant. [01:11:00] It doesn't mean I have to be antisocial. And I was at the table, I was talking, I had a few things on the plate, but I wasn't going crazy on the food that I know would feel good now, but I'd be paying the price for later. And so really the takeaway when we look through all these 13 things to stop.

And one thing to limit. So 14 things in total, 14 actions to take. We're doing everything that we can to ensure that we're optimizing the level of copper in our body. And Morley, if I'm hearing you correct, when we do what we can to optimize the copper levels in our body, our body has the innate intelligence.

It knows what to do, that it begins to take care of the rest. And in the next episode, We're going to talk all about what you can take and what you should be doing, what you should be starting that you're probably not. But for here, this is what we should stop doing. And by the way, for our listeners in the show notes, there's also a link to Morley's book, Cure, and there's a little play on words here, the CU, which is the element for copper, Cure Your Fatigue, the root cause and how to fix it on your own.

We'll have [01:12:00] a link to that. In the show notes, we have a link to the Root Cause Protocol. You can download that and see exactly what we've been talking about here. And Morley, before we go into wrap up mode for a listener, they have a question for you, they want to reach out, they want to learn more that again, this will all be in the show notes, how should they get in touch with you?

Morley Robbins: welcome to either email me, morleyrobbins at gmail. com or myself 847, 922 8061. website, which I know will be in the show notes, the rcp123. org. Has a lot of resources. There's articles on iron toxicity. There's, I think I've got over 200 podcast interviews that I've done over the last decade.

There's a lot of information, maybe some would say too much, but I want you to know this is not something that I came to last week. This is a building body of knowledge. of connecting dots, of synthesizing, [01:13:00] refining, clarifying, and it goes back to, again, the business school training, learning what to measure gets managed, and we have a very specific set of Blood tests that we recommend people to do to really understand what's going on in their body.

And I think it's important for people to realize that you can take very tangible steps to regain your equilibrium, regain, regain your homeostasis, that sense of balance, but most importantly, to regain your health. And it doesn't necessarily involve practitioners. And there are thousands of people doing this protocol around the world and on their own without direction, which I think is ultimately what we need to do is get back to a model where we can take control of our own health because we understand how the body really works in a much more sophisticated way.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And Morley, as for the listeners, as I've shared, most of these things that were the stop, [01:14:00] I was doing many of them, particularly on the vitamin side. It came as news to me, stopped it, began following what to do, what not to do, and began to see some remarkable changes. So it really does work. Well, Morley, we're at that point where it's our wrap up mode.

It's your tradition here on the Deep Wealth Podcast. You've answered this question before. You'll have the benefit of knowing what you said last time. Perhaps you want to change it up again. We'll go wherever you want to go, but let me set this up for you. 

It's my privilege, it's my honor, it's the tradition here. So here's the question. It's a fun one. When you think of the movie Back to the Future, you have that magical DeLorean car that will take you to any point in time. So Morley, the fun part is tomorrow morning, you look outside your window, not only is DeLorean car there, the door's open, it's waiting for you to hop on in, which you do, and you're now going to go to any Morley, as a young child, a teenager, whatever point in time that would be, we're going to What would you tell your younger self in terms of life wisdom or lessons learned?

Or, hey, Morley, do this, but don't do that. What would that sound like?

Morley Robbins: And I can go backwards or forwards or both.

Jeffrey Feldberg: You know what? This is your [01:15:00] story. You can do anything you want.

Morley Robbins: I think I want to go back to the 1850s, and I want to participate in the debate between Pasteur, Louis Pasteur, and Antoine Deschamps, who was at that time was the most decorated scientist in Europe, and that set the stage for a lot of confusion and controversy that we're still reeling from today, some 170 years later.

It was a pivotal time in history, and I think it would be fascinating to witness the arguments. The positions that were being presented, and to the extent that I can, with what I know, be able to introduce what I've learned and begin to dispel this idea that we can't have a healthy life without boiling milk.

That seems to be one of the greatest assaults to civilization was taking this Perfect food and subjecting it to [01:16:00] what's now called ultra pasteurization. at times it's over 200 degrees being boiled. Well, there's nothing that can survive it. And so we have dramatically altered what we regard as food.

And I think it really started back in that pivotal series of interactions between Béchamp and who is arguing for the energy field. And Pastor, who is arguing for, we got to kill the particle. And turns out that our spleen is designed to kill the particle. And what does the spleen need? It needs whole milk.

Jeffrey Feldberg: So perhaps the message is drink more whole milk, natural whole milk.

Morley Robbins: natural, unpasteurized whole milk.

Jeffrey Feldberg: or what some people would call raw milk, which is very controversial out there, but drink raw milk, drink raw whole milk

Morley Robbins: It's controversial because it's been made to be controversial. all by design.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And that's a whole other story behind the story on that one. But drink raw milk would be the takeaway on this one for your [01:17:00] health. Absolutely love that. Well Morley, it's official. This is a wrap, congratulations. And as we absolutely love to say here at Deep Wealth, may you continue to thrive and prosper while you remain healthy and safe.

Thank you so much.

Morley Robbins: Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate the opportunity. 

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