445 John Graham

Jeffrey Feldberg: [00:00:00] John Graham is living proof that the mind is capable of extraordinary things, not just in performance but in healing. John Graham is a three time USA memory champion, a grandmaster of memory and mentor to high performers, including national champions, and even a world record holder. He's wowed audiences worldwide with mind blowing mental feats.

On major TV shows like super brain in China with 400 million viewers, Superhuman alongside Mike Tyson and Incredible People in Russia where he took home a fourth place finish. 

But behind the accolades and records is an even more powerful story. For decades, John silently battled crippled anxiety and daily panic attacks after trying every mental tactic and treatment you can imagine.

Nothing worked until he discovered the real root cause, suppressed emotions and deep seated mental conditioning. And in just a few months he freed himself from chronic anxiety for good. Today, [00:01:00] John helps successful leaders and entrepreneurs break through their own inner resistance. Unlock flow states and step fully into the highest potential.

Not through the usual grind and mindset hacks, but with counterintuitive methods that create lasting freedom. If you're ready to learn how to optimize your mind, release what's holding you back and perform at your absolute best you're in for a treat.

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Deep Wealth Nation, welcome to another episode of the Deep Wealth Podcast. Well, let me ask you some loaded questions. Would you like to have the ultimate unfair advantage in running your business? Do you want to unlock your superpowers that have always been there, but you never knew they were? And would you love to have not just a sustainable business, but one that you can catapult to the next level?

And of course you said, yes, well, hang on to your hats. We have a terrific guest in the house of deep wealth and John. Welcome to the podcast. An absolute pleasure to have you with us. There's always a story behind the story. John, here's an interesting one. What's your story, John? What got you from where you were to where you are today?

John Graham: Jeffrey, I'm a three time USA memory champion, so people often [00:04:00] assume I must have a first of all, what is that? What does that mean? And you have a natural memory? answer is no, I learned a skill. I learned how to memorize. I read a book I see in 2014. After I went to school, the book was called Moonwalking with Einstein.

It talks about ordinary people who learn memory techniques. So I was. enamored with. I went in, full tilt, learned the techniques, started memorizing like decks of cards, lists of numbers crazy things, and I started competing all over the world, and my first competition I, bombed, I felt a lot of pressure, a lot of anxiety, it was intense, and that's sort of my story is, on the way to becoming a three time U.

S. memory champion, my dark secret was that I struggled with anxiety, panic, I would freeze up, just send a lot of the pressure and a lot of inner demons, and I tried all of the mental things, the techniques, the meditations, the breathworks, the supplements, the hypnosis, trying to overcome this pressure, trying to thrive in that pressure, only to realize none of that [00:05:00] helped.

I shouldn't say it didn't help, but none of it worked. It got to the core. And I realized On the darkest night of my life that it was an emotional root issue. And so I addressed the emotions and started resolving very quickly. And from that, my potential, my capacity to handle more of life was gained.

And I started thriving under pressure, businesses booming, and the best I've ever felt in my life. So that's what I help people now is embodiment work. And so I went from the mind and optimization and memory to now embodiment and the deeper work that takes to uncover your capacity and potential in life.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Wow. That's quite the journey. And John, I really appreciate you. Just being so vulnerable and so open as I often say here in the podcast so many people think that being vulnerable is weak and Actually, it takes a very strong person to be vulnerable And some people call it the dark night of the soul when you look at your darkest lowest moment when you're going through that Looking back now, which is always easier.

2020 hindsight as they say [00:06:00] But what were some of your takeaways? Going back to that low point, and now fast forwarding to today, what could you share with us about that?

John Graham: The darkest night of my life, I thought I was going to die. I was having daily panic attacks. Multiple panic attacks in a day and the walls were sort of closing in on me I'm a very intelligent guy, but I was so stuck in my head and stress and a lot of suppression I was trying to will Everything into my life.

I was trying to will myself to certain numbers of business, 70, 000 a month I was trying to will myself to achieve and to get the next award and in that will was fighting reality and I started experiencing this really, heaviness in my life, I had everything Jeffrey. I had daughters I had a wife at a home and everything and I still felt this terror inside of me.

So looking back The depth of my pain has now Catapulted me into the expanse the capacity that I have so people that are going [00:07:00] through the depths The darkest, deepest you are, flip that, and now that's the highest you can go, and the potential that you have. And so, now that's where I'm at, is reaching in more capacity to help more people, because I've experienced the depth of it, and understand people at a deeper level than I think most do.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And John, as you look back at that, was there a belief or what some people call social programming or a myth that you bought into that was just taking you down that dark path? Looking back now, you can see it, but back in the day, it wasn't so clear.

John Graham: The one that stands out is that I, wanted to achieve everything on my own. I wanted to use my personal will to manifest my life. So, What I mean by that is, a lot of people get caught in manifestation. Believing they want this car, they want this house, they want this lifestyle.

Only to realize that's not really what they want and it doesn't satiate them. And so, my belief now is not in that my personal will, my mind should get what it wants. I believe that getting what you want [00:08:00] is overrated, that there's a higher intelligence, a divine will, so to speak, that if you align with that, your power, your inner power and your potential magnifies tremendously.

And so, I no longer believe in the will of my personal mind and that I should achieve and get all these things because I think that's actually creating a lot of suffering and a lot of strife and struggle and rush in people's lives.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so as you say that, and I know for some listeners in DeepAlpNation, they're saying, wow, that just sounds like a bunch of blankety blank and you can fill in the blank or it's really way out there. But DeepAlpNation, hang in there with me because I'll, share with you what I'm exploring today with John is interesting.

When we've had buyers on the show, when we've had investors on the show, these are people who write the big checks, nine figure checks, some cases, 10 figure checks. The one common thing they're saying, we're not looking at the product or service. The first thing we're looking at is who are the people?

What's the quality of [00:09:00] the leadership? What are they made of? What's their mindset like? And John, I know that is right up your alley. That is your wheelhouse. So with what you just said before of looking to achieve, but trying to do it on your own. Walk us through that of where that was, because that sounds like so many entrepreneurs.

Yeah, I'm going to achieve this and here's my list and I'm going to check this off and I'm just going to drive forward and I'm going to fail forward and do all these things and I could just do it. I'll figure out a way you were like that and then you change. So what's that all about? What's going on there?

John Graham: Well, everyone is talking about the matrix. Everyone thinks the matrix is the system, right? The matrix is your mind. And we can become prisoners of our mind. Sort of, cracking the whip. If you feel rushed, if you feel like you always have to be doing something and achieving, where's that coming from?

And for me, a real story, Jeffrey, is I won my third trophy. My third championship. I held that last trophy after winning that third championship. National title, a lot of excitement that day. Well, I put that trophy on the mantle that night. And I immediately [00:10:00] felt empty, an emptiness.

And so to satiate that emptiness, to block that out, I started imagining winning a fourth one. And I started feeling better. And I thought whoa. I stepped back, like quite literally. And I thought, this never ends, does it? I always want the next one. I'm not happy with what I have. And I realized in that moment, it has nothing to do With the things we have.

Nothing we can see, touch, or feel will satiate us. There's always a hamster wheel. And that moment changed my life because I realized that was the root of my struggle is I was tethered to this idea that I needed validation. I needed money. I needed someone. I need everyone to look up to me, to be validated and worthy as a human.

And so that's where that moment changed for me. A lot

Jeffrey Feldberg: And, what's interesting as you're talking about that, John, you're actually bringing me back and I've shared this on the podcast with Deep Up Nation. It was the day of the closing of my business, the nine figure deal and funds had been wired. The deal was now done, went to bed, as you can imagine, all [00:11:00] excited and jubilant and happy and walking on clouds, woke up the next morning.

First thing I did was I pinched myself, okay, was that just a dream or did that actually happen? And yeah, it actually did happen. And once I got that thought process, the next thought was, wow, what am I feeling? And it was interesting because I was still the same Jeffrey. Yes, I had some zeros in the bank, but the hopes, the fears, my shortcomings, my strongcomings, all of that hadn't really changed.

And as I talk about on the podcast and that we actually bake this into the 90 day deep wealth mastery program. My post exit life was a disaster. To your point, I was chasing after the unattainable. Money, yes, it can be a lubricant for life, but it doesn't buy happiness. I found that out the hard way, as I went from failure to failure, and just these emotional roller coasters, mainly down, not up.

Took me a long time to figure that out and get through that, so I'm completely with you on that. But what's encouraging to me, and would love your thoughts on this, the mind that you're talking about, which can bring us [00:12:00] to a low place, when we channel it The flip side of that is true. It can bring us to an absolute terrific place.

So what's going on with that? What would you say to that? Okay.

John Graham: of people try to feel better. This peak experience, right? You've probably interviewed a lot of peak performers and top achievers. They always want to be feeling great. That's not really realistic because what that does is that creates a lot of suppression in us. Jeffrey, a lot of people try to use the mind to experience peak states and to feel good.

But it's an emotional root issue. So we try to hack the mind into affirmations and all this stuff, pumping yourself up, Tony Robbins style, and nothing wrong with Tony Robbins. But it's an emotional root issue. We are blocked inside. We have a lot of suppression. Meaning, every single moment, Jeffrey, of your life that you've ever pushed away.

It's still trapped inside of you. And in that suppression, we lose touch with We have this overflowing amount, this wellspring of love of energy inside of us, but we're blocked from feeling it. So we use our mind and we try to manifest. We try to do anything to try [00:13:00] to feel good. Not realizing that we're blocked on the inside and so to those trying to use their mind to achieve Yes, the mind can feel these amazing states But underneath the mind is the emotional root that's what I went at and that's what I teach people to release and to alchemize so that they can expand in their potential and what that looks like is Instead of trying to block out the uncomfortable feelings that you're pushing away, you know For example, I used to try to always feel grateful This gratitude, this journaling, this, feeling in peak state.

And what that's doing is actually it's coping mechanism. We're pushing away all of the feelings we don't want to feel. But here's the thing, Jeffrey, that the suppressed emotions, the feelings you don't want to feel, that is your suppressed potential. When you tap into that and feel and merge with that energy, that emotion that's underneath, that is so uncomfortable, the anger, the anxiety, the dread, it alchemizes.

It releases, it's gone for good, and you expand in capacity over time. And that capacity, you can handle life. You can feel [00:14:00] more at peace and more level and what I call the zero point zero point meaning you're at this neutral You're not at a negative charge. You're not living a roller coaster like you talked about right this deep You're living in more of a zero point and neutrality where you can create and enjoy and feel present and feel powerful And that's what a lot of people are trying to achieve through the mind I would say it's deeper than the mind

Jeffrey Feldberg: So as you're talking about that, we're going to get to all of this Deep Wealth Nation. Bear with me. There's a method to the madness here. So John, when you win all these memory contests, it sounds as though. Yes, on the one hand, the day after you went through some of your struggles and challenges, but I also suspect, and you're going to correct me or agree with me right now with what I'm about to say, the process of seeing what the mind can do from where you came from to where you got to, it sounds as though that was really a game changer.

So what went on? You went on and you became this memory champion, this memory super dude out there who's just doing what some people say is impossible to do, but you actually did it. What was that teaching you about yourself [00:15:00] and what our mind can do

John Graham: mine's incredibly powerful just to give you an idea of some of the things I was able to do, in my peak, I could memorize a shuffled deck of cards, 52 playing cards, in 21 and a half seconds. Looking at the cards for 21 and a half seconds and know the exact order. I also, it allowed me to perform in China, where I was in front of 400 million people, at the greatest game show in the world, like the biggest game show, Super Brain.

400 million people, I had to memorize 100 different items that were placed in 100 different lockers. From 1 to 100, so I didn't know what locker each item went in, and then each locker was locked with a 4 digit code. 100 combinations of 4 digits. I had to memorize it all in front of 400 million people.

And I did it. And right, that shows what's possible with the mind. I learned that through training, not through natural ability. And I think I was actually accessing a different realm. Just the imagination and utilizing that but the mind is incredibly powerful and in that power I was addicted to it right and here's the [00:16:00] distinction jeffrey is the mind is so incredibly powerful when it's used to greater good well If we allow our mind to be in the driver's seat of our lives, that can cause a lot of suffering and problems.

So, I've, I would say, utilizing the power, but also surrendering your mind so that it's not in the driver's seat is where we really access our true potential.

Jeffrey Feldberg: and interesting. Okay. So when it's not in the driver's seat, I'm going to talk very specifically about what you're doing today, but what do you mean by that? When we're not in the driver's seat, that's when we're accessing the true potential. Okay.

John Graham: There's a higher intelligence at play. There's a life force energy. There is, people call it universe. You can call it whatever you want. There's a higher intelligence. Napoleon Hill talked about this. Well, the way to access that is to surrender your mind. Meaning, instead of utilizing your willpower and always thinking ahead and doing and checking off the list, we start to sit in stillness.

And I'm not talking about meditation. I'm talking about feeling the pulse of your body, the electricity in your body. [00:17:00] Because when you're still, we have these divine downloads, right? I'm sure you've been in the shower, Jeffrey, where it's an idea, an epiphany comes in, it blasts in when you're relaxed, right?

When we surrender control, And stop the do, the frantic, the rushness. We can actually get in touch with our intuitiveness, which is much more powerful and will guide us very strongly. But I think a lot of us entrepreneurs and peak performers have like utilized our mind and our will and pushing, and we don't listen to the cues and the intuitive.

Hits and pulses that really want to guide us. So when I say take a back seat in Intuition and this divine intelligence should be taking the lead role. The mind should be following along with it in alignment

Jeffrey Feldberg: So you've given us a, really a foundation, a backdrop to what's going on in there. And let me now circle back because I know some of the things that you're doing actually it's remarkable of how you're really doing a deep dive and helping what some people call everyday [00:18:00] people and entrepreneurs and everything else in between.

You're really helping them get over these narratives that they've created. Sometimes maybe they didn't even create it. They were just given to them, but they took it as their own. That's holding us back. And so from that perspective, I just love your thoughts before we do a deep dive on your systems and the subconscious and sustainable success and the CEO secret weapon, all those wonderful things that are ahead.

What's going on with these narratives that maybe we don't even realize we have that's propounding us possibly forward, but likely backwards. Okay.

John Graham: Yeah, we absorb these unconscious stories or belief systems based on our how we were brought up and the programming Here's the thing. A lot of people try to overcome that through Mental work limiting belief work and journaling and that's great. There's nothing wrong with that But what I have found is When you feel the energy, the emotion that's arising within you, the emotion that you've blocked your whole life the uncomfortable anxiety, for example, when you [00:19:00] merge with that, when you allow it to move through you and process out, the more you do that, the more these beliefs actually start to reorder and rewrite themselves, utilizing this divine intelligence, meaning you don't have to will yourself to believe something or correct your mind.

Using your mind, you have to surrender to that power. So the suppressed potential within us, this suppressed emotions, if we feel it, our mind, our brain will start to reorganize and shift for us, without us trying to force everything and correct everything right, everything that's wrong with us or find the limiting belief.

Because what it does is it also, the more you merge with this intelligence and surrender to it, your consciousness rises. Meaning you can see your patterns very clearly. You can see where you're deficient or where you're going in mental loops. But you can't do that through force. You can't do that through just staring at the mind and trying to fix it.

And so, feeling the suppressed emotion [00:20:00] has been the greatest gift for me and others that I teach is that it naturally wants to work for us instead of us getting in the way.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so it sounds as though, and again, you'll share Jeffrey on base or off base. We. Unknowingly, our own worst enemy, we're getting in the way with these false beliefs or mindsets that we have. And it's interesting if we listen to other people, we can pick it up, but perhaps we should start going within, well, what's the story I'm telling myself or what are the stories I'm telling myself and where are they holding me back and where are they really helping me?

And just as an example John. You'd be right to say with my next question, well Jeffrey, every person's so different, their own journey, it's all individual, but generally speaking, when you're working with elite entrepreneurs, business owners, founders, that really want to make a difference, are you seeing patterns?

Is it the good old Prudhoe's Law, the 80 20 principle? Yes Jeffrey, Jeffrey. Jeffrey. The same 20 percent of these, whatever you want to call them, the issues or challenges here [00:21:00] are creating 80 percent of the issues that are holding people back. Are there some general patterns that you're seeing that you can share with us?

John Graham: Most everyone, the biggest pattern you can see in their lives is in their closest relationship. Often time that's a spouse. So the conflicts or the avoidance or the, no judgment but What I mean by that is if you're avoidant with your spouse, or you hide things from your spouse, you know, nothing wrong with that, like you're more internalized. That's showing up in your business, right? We're not as transparent in your business.

You're not able to hold capacity or handle conflict, right? So what I would say to people is look at your closest relationship. It could be with your mother, it could be with a spouse, it could be with a child. Where is the friction there? And that friction is mirrored in your business. So if you are hiding from your spouse, and this is me, by the way, this is a pattern that I noticed in myself.

I would try to get all the answers before I shared something or I wouldn't share my deficits, right? in that hiding, [00:22:00] I was also doing the same thing in my life and my business that was preventing me from moving forward. So when I started addressing that root issue in my relationship, my business changed.

And so people think I need to change my limiting belief with my business, or I need to believe bigger. You can use all this force in journaling if you want. It's gonna be the harder way. Instead, it's what I teach people, as you can sense Jeffrey, lean into the discomfort that's within you. That's your biggest guidance and wisdom.

But also, where's the discomfort and avoidance or the friction in your relationships? Because addressing that and leaning into that discomfort will change your business dramatically because the pattern won't exist anymore once you address it and resolve it.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay. And as you're talking about that, John, you talk a lot about transforming from the inside out. And so from that perspective, when you're coaching an entrepreneur, I'm wondering what would be some of the telltale signs they're having a so called, and I'm using air quotes, business problem. [00:23:00] But it's actually not a business problem that's manifesting.

It's a mindset problem. What are some of the signs, the telltale signs that to you are a dead ringer for, okay, yeah, Jeffrey, I know you're telling me this is a business problem, but let me tell you actually. It's a Jeffrey issue. And here's why. And here's what's going on. What's going on there?

John Graham: A lot of people struggle with energy and focus, or the procrastination and they try to take a supplement or they try to listen to alpha waves or, something like that all not to realize there's a deficiency there. There's a reason why they're feeling zapped and overwhelmed. And again, that's an emotional root issue.

So you talk about mindset. This is really important. Everyone listening to this is at a stage in their life where they've done mindset work, right? They've been to conferences and seminars and worked on themselves. At this point, pretty much everyone listening to this the realm where they're ready for that next dimension, where they're ready to Alchemize the resistance within them, so that their wisdom within can be accessed.

And that divine intelligence can actually [00:24:00] reform their belief systems, and point out their deficiencies in mindset, without them trying to get in the way. It's like this, Jeffrey let's say you have hiccups. Ridiculous example. Everyone tries to fix hiccups. Oh my gosh, there's, I need to breathe better, I, there's something wrong with me, I'm not breathing right, I need to stop this, I need to plug my nose, I need to stand on my head, I need to plug my, whatever.

Fix fix. That's all mind trying to fix itself. Well, what if the hiccups, there's a reason for it. if your body's intelligence is doing the hiccups for a reason to correct something on its own, but we're getting in the way.

We can try to fix the hiccups over and over, not allowing our body to correct it using the mind, or we can just surrender to the intelligence.

It can resolve the issue and we can gain clarity of, oh, that's what it was. And you can see very clearly. So that's the same thing with this inner world, is mindset will be corrected, so to speak, on its own if we surrender to the intelligence within us.

Jeffrey Feldberg: so it's knowing that, hey, I may not understand exactly [00:25:00] how the body works, but there's an intelligence there. And let the body do what it does. And it may not be the best example. A very simplistic example is, I know when I hop into my car, I have no idea how the engine works. Couldn't tell you. Couldn't even change the oil, if you ask me.

I just know, I go in, start the car, and I just start driving. And somehow, magically, everything just Moves and the car is driving and it sounds like laying the body Drive forward with knowing what it does best. So how do we get ourselves out of the way? What's going on with that?

John Graham: The things that bother you are the biggest gateways to your potential. So everyone listening to this has resistances, meaning there's an email you got that ticked you off, right? There's a client that's just a pain in the butt, and like you're struggling to deal with them. There's a relationship friction.

Someone cut you off in traffic. Those types of resistances, when resistance, when you feel anxiety, when you feel anger, when you are feeling those things, instead of trying to [00:26:00] block them out, or trying to figure them out, or get rid of that feeling, I advise people, and I guide people to go within, meaning, accept that feeling, and let it work through you, let it merge with you.

Because what that does, is it allows the suppression to start processing. You're letting your body's intelligence work instead of forcing it. And again, it's completely opposite from what everyone's telling you. Everyone's trying you to feel better. Everyone's trying you to get into peak state or feel gratitude.

Or no, we need to stop avoiding what's within us. That resistance is actually a gateway to higher potential if we lean into it.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay, so all of that said walk us through now a little bit of your secret sauce. So John I approach you Hey, I heard you on the deep up podcast and John I want to unleash my superpowers that are bottled up inside of me Don't know how to do that And I come to now and we start working together. And again, I realize everyone's path is different and everyone is unique and we have our own particular skill sets, but generally speaking, [00:27:00] what's going on?

How long is it going to take? What am I going to start seeing? What's your process like?

John Graham: Well, that's the thing is, I'm not coaching people and telling them what to do in their lives. There is an intelligence that they're accessing to guide them that intuitive aspect. So it. Everyone starts off learning a process of surrender. Meaning, I literally have them lay flat. They need 30 minutes a day, mandatory. I'm gonna guide them through how to release the tensions. The tensions are what's holding in the suppressed emotion, this resistance, without even realizing it. So most people have tension in their necks and their shoulders and their jaw. That's holding in this suppression, this energy. So I'm teaching people how to release the tension, how to release control of their mind, how to release control of their breath.

I'm not saying you stop breathing. I'm saying you release the control. Over time, what that does is allows this energy to arise. Energy, meaning could mean anxiety, could mean dread, could be overwhelmed, could be procrastination. And then we lean into it. So just like I shared before, I'm having them in that moment, instead of pressing [00:28:00] on with their day to relax into that energy.

And how to do that so that energy can move through and circulate process out, because what that does, Jeffrey, is we release these blockages inside of us, which now allow for more life force energy, allow for more of that divine intelligence to flow through us, allow us to surrender more and more of our mind so that our mind is not in the driver's seat, and we can follow this intuition.

And what this does for people, it takes probably, I would say after two months they have a night and day difference in life where, like for me, I overcame panic and anxiety in two months when I did this. After decades of living in it, right? It's tremendous. I've had people overcome depression within a few weeks using this.

So it's a complete different way of accessing potential, meaning your life force capacity, your ability to handle more of life. And what that does is allows people to feel more grounded, more centered, more at peace, more expansive, and what I like to say, unbotherable. Because you're stepping into the world.

You're not freezing up on [00:29:00] sales calls. You're not freezing up in a board, meaning you're not. Stuck in your head all of the time, wondering, marinating, ruminating, overthinking. You're living more from this intuitive capacity.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so going back to that for just a moment where you put yourself under the microscope, John, nothing conventional had worked with you. And again, everyone's journey is going to be different. And by the way, deep health nation, this is not medical advice. John and I are just sharing our thoughts and experiences and journeys.

Always seek a qualified medical professional for anything that you're doing. So John, back in the day when you tried something different that got you out of that rut. What was it? What was that something different that worked where nothing else had worked? If you had to say that in a sentence or two, what would you say?

John Graham: What I was trying to do this technique, do that technique. More force, more effort. The secret is in the surrender, in the being. So I literally was called. I felt a strong calling in my body to lay flat and do nothing. And to feel everything that I had suppressed. And that was the key me. Was just to be [00:30:00] in it.

My

Jeffrey Feldberg: Okay. So for some people, this may be uncomfortable for them because really what I'm hearing you say is, Hey, I listened to that inner voice, which said, do nothing in your case, do nothing, lie flat. Don't do just be.

John Graham: head was telling me, do this, to-do list you. You don't have time for this. Go do this. All this junk.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And listening to that, from just being, you stopped doing, you were being, you're listening to your inner self, that feeling or that voice, whatever it was for you. So is that what began to turn things around? That's where you started to get that mental health back, that clarity, that energy. Okay.

John Graham: That's where it's extremely uncomfortable. It's like jumping into a freezing cold pool of water. Imagine the emotional voltage that's inside of you and the anxieties, the overwhelms, the charges that we have that's need to be felt. So it's extremely uncomfortable, but the more I did it over the course of a few days and weeks.

An immense relief yeah, but it was just a call [00:31:00] to just lay and be and feel everything, not to just sit there in my mind and watch my thoughts and like dilly dally and, wander in my imagination, no, to be with every part of me that I had avoided over those years.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And for some people, they're going to feel an immense discomfort. I mean, I've heard the term monkey mind, or just that mental mind chatter. And we're always listening in doing. 

From your experience, in terms of that voice inside the head, we just take it for granted. Well, that's actually me talking, that's my voice that I'm hearing. John is it? 

Where's that voice coming from? What is that voice? 

John Graham: We're going really deep here. I encourage people to get their own answer. Here's my answer, is I used to believe it was me, too, but I, after doing this work, I now know that I'm the awareness behind all of that. I'm literally watching John Graham's mind right now, and just like Jeffrey is, you're stuck in your mind.

That's why everyone gets stuck in their mind, this big giant awareness, you can call it consciousness, that's staring at your mind, staring at what you see, touch, and feel, and gets trapped in that. And so when I realized the [00:32:00] truth that I was this awareness behind John Graham.

That's where I was able to sort of not separate, but watch and learn and see, wow, this John Graham's mind is really neurotic right now. It's crazy. And that separation allowed me to really I wouldn't say detach, but to see it from a different lens of perspective, a higher perspective.

Jeffrey Feldberg: So it was really taking a step back and then no judgment, just really looking at that and seeing what's there. And so this process that you've come up with, I mean, my goodness, it had remarkable results for you. Someone who's going through your program and your coaching and I, again, I realize everyone is different, but you're saying within, if I heard you right, perhaps within a few months, two months or so, 60 days, you're going to start seeing some differences.

What does that feel like for your clients? What does that mean for them?

John Graham: It puts them on a different life path, their struggles and their internal resistances that they once had are no longer, so they can see from a higher perspective. And what happens is a lot of people, Progress [00:33:00] into different businesses, or they change their relationships, or they just are more secure and solid because they've done this internal change.

The internal changes will mirror in their external world instead of them forcing their external world to change. And so I will preface this. It does not work for everyone. You have to be a devoted person. You can hear what I'm saying. You're going to be jumping into the Depths of your icy cold pool that you've pushed away your whole life and not everyone's willing to do that And that's okay, right?

A lot of people want to stay in their mind, but for the people who are devoted to seeing and feeling all of themselves And accessing a greater potential. This is what they're experiencing is a groundedness, a peace more and more of a serenity that allows them to see clearly and express their creativity and authenticity into the world, which means better business, which means higher relationships, more connection, more intimacy.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And not to put words in your mouth and you'll share Jeffrey on base, off base, I would imagine that along with that, in terms of what we're feeling, [00:34:00] if I could add the words, perhaps joy, fulfillment, in addition to what you're sharing. Thoughts about that?

John Graham: Yes. Fulfillment is not attained through, it's not attained, right? It's not something we can grab and can get. It's a feeling of being, right? When you've accessed more of this peace, more of this wellspring within you, which I will admit, I'm human. I don't have 100 percent fulfillment every moment of my day and 100 percent joy.

I'm still that human. But I have a vast, more capacity to feel that at any given moment, more to feel that peace, but absolutely.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And again, you could say Jeffrey, a very general question that you're asking me, but I'll ask it anyways. Looking from back of the envelope, some patterns in terms of what's being there when you're working with, let's call them successful or high level entrepreneurs, unconsciously, what would be some of the things that's holding them back from scaling?

And when I say scaling, I'm not just talking scaling in the business. I'm talking scaling in their life as well. That back to what we're talking about earlier, they're really firing on all cylinders. [00:35:00] On the business front, on the personal front, they're just getting things right now and things are moving in the right direction.

Of course, there's going to be challenges along the way, but what would be some of the more common themes or attributes that are holding us back? 

John Graham: It's an indication that someone doesn't have the capacity if they can't expand the capacity of the internal capacity to handle that energy and that life force. And so I've met people and worked with people who are completely burnt out. They have millions of dollars in the bank and for business, and I've also met people who have, who are completely balanced, have a ton of life force, and they're making, 100, 000, a year.

So which one do you want, the person who's making 100, 000 has an immense amount of more capacity. So when you talk about patterns. The pattern is just avoidance of what is arising in the moment.

So, if someone has anxiety, that's a, that's an underexpression, meaning you're suppressing, trying to resist life and maneuver life using your mind. And that's typically the pattern, is Jeffrey. A lot of high performers have a control. issue like I [00:36:00] did. Control like, you're not a bad person, but you're trying to manipulate the world using your mind and your force and your effort, and there's nothing wrong with that, but that pattern is causing you to not even access most of the capacity you have within you, because you're using your mind instead of your being.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And John, to be clear, and I want to share an example and would love your thoughts on this. When you're saying capacity, we're not talking about money capacity or anything material like that. And as you're saying that, it makes me wonder. I've been very fortunate for some of my businesses I've traveled. And when I'm there in a quote unquote third world country, I'm seeing people who have nothing materially. I'm talking. Nothing. It's a literally a steel sheet over their heads. That's the roof and it's a very small enclosure where an entire family is living. But when I'm speaking with these people, talking with them, my goodness, the happiness that seems to be exuding from them.

They've got nothing materially and from our side of things, a [00:37:00] person who doesn't have a lot here in the US compared to them would be like a king or queen. Yet when you speak with them, there is just a Well being and exuberance and energy that's coming from them. What's that all about? I'm wondering what your thoughts would be on that?

John Graham: I experienced the same thing in Cambodia. They were playing with us, teaching at a school, and they had a soccer ball that was completely deflated and had holes in it, and just so happy, and not one kid was spoiled, not one kid got upset when they played with each other, just pure bliss and joy, and it's just another indication that in the West, we have prioritized individuality, and achievement, and success, And a lot of people use that, mean, what they mean by success is, oh, money, car, fame, external things.

When, just like you and I have experienced those moments where we realize, oh, that ain't it. Right? There's still more. Why am I still trying? And so I think people who have not experienced or been expected to attain and to achieve, they're allowed to be. They're allowed to be [00:38:00] themselves. They don't judge other people.

Because judgment is a big indicator of, of anxiety and, and struggle and inner struggle, like for me, when we look at other people's and judge or we expect there's so much suffering, there's so much like that mindset, that belief that's weighing us down. And so I think third world don't, they don't have that pressure and that's a really, they may not have things, but you can learn from that, they don't have the expectations in the programming that we do.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so John, how do we apply from what they've learned of what we can do here in the West in the US where life is different and is a different pace and different kinds of pressures and materiality is certainly a part of that How do we take some of the things that they're doing and apply it to us?

What would that look like?

John Graham: It's such a big thing because the first thing that comes to me is we're so distracted. So you have to be someone to see that. You have to see how distracted I would [00:39:00] recommend travel the world to see this like you and I have seen for firsthand because if you haven't experienced this, you don't know what we're talking about.

We are so distracted in the West, in our mind and in our devices and our things. And so. The first step to this is just the clarity. If you're listening to this and you're like, yeah, I felt that. It doesn't mean go sell everything you own. It doesn't mean all that force. I don't mean to force yourself externally to sell, to move, to change.

Again, sit with the intelligence within you because that meeting yourself where you are in this moment and the anxiety you're feeling right now or the overwhelm by feeling into that consciousness can see where you are and can guide you to a better way. But. Versus us trying to will ourselves to change, or force all of these changes on paper, or using a spreadsheet.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And so as you talk about going within John Perhaps it's the mind perhaps. It's the universe perhaps. It's even God if we're gonna get on the spiritual side Where are you [00:40:00] on that? How does? God or spirituality play a role in what we're talking about and as I asked that question I realized for the one listener that we had left We probably just lost them on that but where are you on that in terms of what you learned your journey?

The potential within

John Graham: Yeah, well it's true, when you say God, people turn off, or they have their preconceived notions, it's a very charged word. When I say divine intelligence, I really mean God. the one field, it's the consciousness, the unified field, whatever you want to call it, there is a force, a spirit, that's guiding us, but it needs to see where you are.

And so, yes, this emotional root that I've alchemized and lean into every day for its intelligence has led me to a spiritual path, right? You can sense it. That's why you're asking the question is I've been drawn to this truth. Spirituality just means truth. Like you're looking for truth. I just want to know the truth.

Who am I? Why am I blocked inside? What's my true potential? Why am I here? And by leaning into that. Not through my mind and what my mind thinks it is, [00:41:00] because you can get clouded and programmed by what other people have written down or thought. You go within and you feel the texture within you, and you feel the anxiety, you feel the bliss, you feel whatever, that is intelligent, that is God working through you.

So we've gone super deep on this, but yes, I'm referring to God. When I say higher intelligence, that's what I mean.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And you know as you're sharing that it's reminding me actually just a few days back of a conversation with a fellow Christian entrepreneur Who said, Jeffrey, let me share with you the before and the after. Before I found God, I would do something and I would pray that I'd be blessed. And looking back at that, my goodness, how ignorant of me to assume that what I was Doing is what I should have been doing in the first place.

Now this individual, incredibly successful, we're talking stratosphere in terms of success. Today versus back then and he said what made the difference for me is I started to abide goes back to an old biblical term I started to abide where instead of asking [00:42:00] God or the universe in this case God instead of asking God Hey bless what I've done because I think it's right.

I'll wake up every day. These are his words I'll wake up every day and I'll go into a prayer mode where I'm listening for God to tell me what to do today And I may move slower than other entrepreneurs, but there's a super naturalness about this and his companies have done 140 percent return on investment year over year, just incredible returns on that.

But I'm being told what to do and I'm now following those plans instead of the other way around.

John Graham: I love that. That's everything, is we try to I use the word manifest, we try to get what we want, we try to pray for what we want. Only to realize it doesn't work that way. if prayer worked the way we wanted it to, we would have had world peace already.

So what's the truth? The truth is God, entire intelligence is giving you everything you need in this moment, right now.

But we resist it. here's what I realized. The anxiety that I felt long ago was divine intelligence. Trying to come up, but I kept [00:43:00] pushing it away. I said, no, I don't want to feel this. This is awful. The more I leaned into that feeling, that sensation within me at all times, when you're tapped into this moment and how you feel internally, that will guide you.

Just that man said it's slower, but it will move mountains versus your force in your mind, trying to sort everything out. So it's very powerful force,

Jeffrey Feldberg: Absolutely. And my goodness, each of these topics could be easily an episode, multiple episodes in and of itself. And we're going to start going to wrap up mode. But before we do that, I'm wondering coming out of this episode, John, the here, the now, the present, if a listener were to do one thing in one thing only, perhaps it's even some low hanging fruit that if they started doing this before the next phone call or meeting or activity, that would really move the dial, really make a difference.

For someone in the deep automation, what would that one thing be? What do you think?

John Graham: I've already alluded to it, but slowing down to feel. The energy within you will change your life [00:44:00] and to stay in it as much as possible. Notice, everyone's wow, I'm in my head, right? I don't even know what I'm feeling inside. Yeah, exactly. Your head is leading the way. And so, slowing down, meaning we're so rushed, rushing is a trauma response. We're not born as a baby rushed. Like, where does that come from? It comes from conditioning. we're tethered to something. And so, slowing down, where we can feel ourselves, You can actually feel this living intelligence move you. And so that's what I would recommend. Feel the anxiety resisted. Be with it.

Sit with it. It's guiding you. It's helping. It's literally trying to help you. Not just overcome it, but guiding you through life.

Jeffrey Feldberg: Interesting, slowing down, listening instead of running from what some people would say, pressure or pain. Don't run away from it, run towards it, go into it to really see what's there. Easier said than done, but that's some terrific advice. And before we go into the wrap up mode, I know, John, I can tell you for a fact, there are so many questions I have not yet asked.

Is there [00:45:00] one question I didn't ask that you want to put the answer out there or even a topic or a theme or a message we haven't yet covered that you want to share with Deep Pault Nation before we go into wrap up mode?

John Graham: A lot of suffering that we have is also based on the attachments we have. Attachment to being right.

Meaning, if we have so many resistances with other people, we've got to forgive that stuff. And it doesn't matter. Here's the thing I learned. My grandpa committed suicide a couple years ago, and I was very angry at him.

Rage. And I was suffering for months. And finally, I laid down in bed one night, and I said, Grandpa, I don't agree with what you did, but I love you. And in that moment, an elephant flew off my shoulders. Like quite literally the light change the I've never experienced it before I could feel the weight of that Anger and that attachment to being right resolve So I learned that forgiveness is not about forgiving what someone did has nothing to do with right or wrong.

It's about forgiving our [00:46:00] perspective

The judgment and so not just feeling anxiety but also forgiving you don't have to even be knows my grandpa was dead I talked to him just They're my own heart and a weight lifted off me. So I encourage people to do that as well, to feel a lightness and unattachment where they can, because that works with business.

That allows you to stay light and free and fresh and present, believe it or not, instead of waking up and, three in the morning feeling a weight on you, right? That's where that comes from is holding onto so much.

Jeffrey Feldberg: John, thank you so much for, again, being open and vulnerable and condolences for your loss with your grandfather and certainly some of the insights and wisdom that you shared about that experience for you that we can take for ourselves and learn from and help ourselves. And actually it's wonderful life advice and it's a great segue for wrap up mode.

And here on the Deep Wealth Podcast, John, it's a tradition, it's really my privilege and honor where every guest, I am able to ask the same question. It's a [00:47:00] really fun question. I'm going to set this up for you. When you think of the movie Back to the Future, you have that magical DeLorean card, John, that will take you to any point in time.

So John, I want you to imagine, this is the fun part, is tomorrow morning, you look outside your window. Not only is the DeLorean car curbside, the door is open is waiting for you to hop on in, which you do. And you're now going to go to any point in time, John, as a young child, a teenager, whatever point in time it would be, what would you tell your younger self in terms of life lessons or life wisdom, or, Hey, John, do this, but don't do that.

What would that sound like

John Graham: I was asked a similar question, not back to the future. That's one of my favorite movies. I wouldn't change a thing because. Every single moment that I suppressed led me to the greatest gift that I have now, because now I can help people. I've been through the depths of pain like you wouldn't imagine, and I'm sure a lot of people have, that I can now feel and hold space and help people heal from that.

It's the greatest gift I've ever received. But I wouldn't have had that if I walked, if I went back in time and helped myself avoid [00:48:00] all of the suppression and the anxiety, I would be living at this Yeah, state. I wouldn't have had the depth of experience, so if I would go back, I would probably go back to 13 years old, I was in like eighth grade. And I was really struggling with anxiety. I was paralyzed by it. And I would probably just go up to myself in the hallway when I was feeling overwhelmed and Put my arm around myself and just say keep going kid. I mean you got this like you're doing really well Believe it or not and you're going to be grateful of everything that you're experiencing right now and just leave it at that

Jeffrey Feldberg: so much there? Firstly, I love what you said earlier. Hey, just enjoy the journey. Make the most of your journey because you're exactly where you need to be. And then what you just said right now, keep going, you got this. And it reminds me, one of my favorite stories, actually, from Think and Grow Rich, Napoleon Hill, three feet from gold, did a whole episode on that.

Long story short on that, John, though, is these prospectors, back in the gold rush days, they found this gold vein, [00:49:00] and things were going well, they went back to their family and friends, raised more money, they went all in, and now they start going, ran dry. And they kept on digging, nothing, and they just gave up.

Went back home, they sold everything they had for pennies on the dollar to a junkyard dealer. Junkyard dealer was a smart fellow because he went out and hired a geologist who did a survey of land and came back to the junkyard dealer and said, you know, it's interesting, if The original prospectors, if they just would have dug three more feet, but this way, instead of that way, because gold veins, they tend to jump, they don't go in a straight line, they would have hit one of the biggest gold veins in this area.

And the junkyard dealer went on to become a very wealthy man, but to your point, they would just keep on going. Just one more step. Sometimes that's all it takes. It's wonderful advice for the Deep Wealth Nation and speaking of the Deep Wealth Nation, John, somebody has a question. They want to speak with you.

They want to work with you. They want to have you come on board and coach them. The team, where's the best place online to reach you?

John Graham: My [00:50:00] instagram it's at memory john g you can find me there again three time usa memory champion I also recommend people going to Codes of potential. com. I'm going to lay out in this free video How people can alchemize the root of the pressure within them in a more deep way than why what I was able to share and you know this short podcast But it goes deeper for everyone if you're a conscious leader and you've done all the mindset And the meditations and you're still feeling a resistance a blockage and anxiety It's because of the emotional root and that codes of high or excuse me codes of potential.

com I lay that out for people how to overcome that.

Jeffrey Feldberg: And Deep Wealth Nation. I have great news for you. This is a point and click. It doesn't get any easier. Go to the show notes. All the links are there. You don't have to remember anything. It's just a point and click and reach out to John and ask him some questions and go through the program, how to alchemize the true root of the pressure within you and embody higher potential.

I love that. You got me interested. Absolutely love that. Well, it's official, John. It's a wrap. And as we love to say here at [00:51:00] deep wealth, yeah. Congratulations, and may you continue to thrive and prosper while you remain healthy and safe. Thank you so much.

John Graham: Thank you. Jeffrey 

Jeffrey Feldberg: So there you have it, Deep Wealth Nation. What did you think? 

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